First Puppy Problems (kind of long)

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We LOVE our new puppy Charlie, but we are definately running into some problems with him. He is our first dog let alone our first puppy, and I know he has the potential to be a great dog, but I feel as if I'm lacking a little in getting him started on that path.

First, he seems to be having a tough time house training. He's 10 weeks old now (we've had him from 8 and a half weeks) and he still pretty much goes in the house at his own discretion. I don't know what we are doing wrong-- we take him outside to the same spot very frequently, give him a treat and praise when he goes, and he will still come inside and go in the house within 10 to 15 minuets of going outside. This isn't every time, but it's often enough to make me feel like he's not getting it. I was concerned that he a had a bladder problem, but the vet said that going to the bathroom so frequently is normal for a puppy. Is it a territorial thing? We don't have any other dogs, just an older male cat that the pup is really none too interested in.

Second, I'm pretty sure Charlie was the leader of the pack in his litter. He was the biggest pup (14lbs at 8 weeks), and a little more serious while the other puppies were crazy playful. Now that he's home with us, he's really fighting for dominance-- barking and biting seem to be his best methods. Lately when he does this, I've held him by the back of his neck (like his mother would) and looked directly in his eyes until he looks away. I've read that it's important to physically assert yourself over your puppy, i.e. walking towards him until he backs off, and I've been doing that also, but he is putting up one heck of a fight. Thing is, I don't want to be TOO dominant and make him a timid or fearful dog, so where do you draw the line? Also, of course I love being affectionate with him, but do certain kinds of affection send the wrong message?

Third (sorry the list is getting longer), my pup LOVED his crate when he first came home a week and a half ago. He would run right into it and plop down and sleep in there for hours. We always left the door open, thinking that if we closed it he would begin to resent the crate or be afraid of it. We only closed it when we had to leave him alone, and the second we were out of sight he would cry and bark until he saw or heard us again. He has peed in his crate a few times, which at first NEVER would have happened, and now he is really against the crate in general. If we can even get him to go in there, he only stays for a few minutes and then comes back out. We had to move the crate a few times, which I assumed had something to do with it. It's really cozy in there and he has his favorite blankets and toys, but he refuses to go in his crate any more, which makes night time awful, since he only wants to be in bed with me, not in his crate. What can I do to reacquaint him with his crate in a positive way? As a side note, I'm sure this crate problem has something to do with his difficulty housebreaking.

Fourth and finally, the biting and attitude. I sometimes worry a little that maybe Charlie isn't as playful or friendly as other Boxers I've met-- he's not timid at all, but he's very weary of people he doesn't know. He needs to inspect them first before he can be at ease with them. I've heard this is pretty normal, but other Boxers I've known practically tackle strangers with kisses when they first meet them. Also, I feel like he really enjoys his alone time, which doesn't seem like a Boxer thing either. He likes playing and he loves jumping into our laps and going to sleep, but it seems he gets bored at playtime and would rather do something on his own. His puppy biting is normal, but when we sternly tell him "NO" or "OUCH" he barks and gets a little bit of an attitude. We have been giving him a short squirt of water from a spray bottle when he does that, and it seemed to work, but now he seems to just hate that water bottle (he barks at it). He is starting puppy classes as soon as he gets his next series of shots on the 21st of March, but in the meantime, I need some guidance!! Are these all normal puppy things, or could I potentially have a dominant, aggressive, poorly behaved dog on my hands? Thanks a lot for your help!
 

gmacleod

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Lately when he does this, I've held him by the back of his neck (like his mother would) and looked directly in his eyes until he looks away.

His mother would not ever do that. Or at least, not without giving him at least six warnings first. A 'look', a longer 'look', a stare, a lip curl, a warning growl, an air snap - and then finally, in the unlikely event that the puppy had not heeded the warnings and instruction given, she might discipline him physically.

Are you doing all that before jumping on him? Of course you're not - you're not a dog and you don't have the ability to mimick dog behaviour and body signals. So the best advice to you is don't try - especially when you're skipping 6 out of seven steps and have no earthly idea of the warnings that should preceed any form of violence. Be the human in the relationship instead - it's much more satisfactory for both of you.

I've read that it's important to physically assert yourself over your puppy, i.e. walking towards him until he backs off, and I've been doing that also, but he is putting up one heck of a fight. Thing is, I don't want to be TOO dominant and make him a timid or fearful dog, so where do you draw the line? Also, of course I love being affectionate with him, but do certain kinds of affection send the wrong message?

I don't know where you read that - but whatever book it was should be filed instantly in the trash where it belongs. It is not "important" to physically dominate a baby of any species. Or an adult for that matter, and that sort of thing is more likely to end in you being deservedly bitten than anything else (which is going to count once this pup is big enough to defend himself). It is not certain kinds of affection that send the wrong message, but all forms of bullying and aggression. What you're doing to your pup is most certainly aggression. But it's YOU who's the aggressor here.

Here are a few articles for you - some written by a behavioural specialist who has spent years studying dog behaviour. These explain well why the way you're treating your pup is so damaging, and so dangerous.

http://www.clickersolutions.com/articles/2001/dominance.htm
http://www.clickersolutions.com/articles/2004/Debunking.pdf
http://www.clickersolutions.com/articles/2001/macho.htm

An excerpt from one of them:
Unfortunately, the real danger of the alpha-concept of physical dominance lies in its questionable extrapolation to dog training and husbandry. Instead of being educational, many so-called 'training' methods are just downright adversarial if not abusive; the dog is often viewed as our enemy, rather than as our best friend. Many playful, greeting and fearful gestures are misinterpreted as being aggressive, providing the unthinking owner with a convenient excuse to abuse the dog under the guise of 'training'...

...Certainly, we need to control dogs - but mental control is what is required, not physical domination. Even though an ill-experienced, middle-ranking dog 'handler' might be able to jerk, hang, roll-over, and/or beat a dog into submission, what is the point of winning the battle and losing the war? What possible advantage is there in converting a 'dominant' dog into a fearful one? Both are equally as worthless as companions or working dogs. Furthermore, most physical corrections are well beyond the physical and mental capabilities of all but a few dog owners. And so, why advise novice owners to enter into a physical contest that they are bound to lose? In fact, why abuse the dog at all, when it is possible to achieve the same end using brain instead of brawn? Why try to wade the Atlantic, when one could take the Concorde?

Another:

For example, alpha rolls. The early researchers saw this behavior and concluded that the higher-ranking wolf was forcibly rolling the subordinate to exert his dominance. Well, not exactly. This is actually an "appeasement ritual" instigated by the SUBORDINATE wolf. The subordinate offers his muzzle, and when the higher-ranking wolf "pins" it, the lower-ranking wolf voluntarily rolls and presents his belly. There is NO force. It is all entirely voluntary.

A wolf would flip another wolf against his will ONLY if he were planning to kill it. Can you imagine what a forced alpha roll does to the psyche of our dogs?

All in all, it is just a very bad idea. Dogs do not treat each other that way, and we people are not dogs. Your puppy doesn't think you're a dog. It is most unwise to try to emulate a dog when trying to train one how to behave with people. Not just because we have insufficient understanding and aren't actually capable of carrying it off - but because most of us actually wish to be the human in the relationship ;)

Here is an excellent article that addresses the puppy biting - explaining why it is so essential for a pup to bite in order to learn to inhibit his bite, and how to go about teaching him. As with any behaviour with dogs, it is teaching not bullying or force that is required to shape it. Do read it - you'll find it extremely helpful. http://www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/berner1/bitestop.htm
 

Ingrid

Boxer Booster
Just wanted to note on the potty training, that my pup took a while before I could trust her too! I got her at 4 months and it wasn't until 8 or 9 months before I could feel comfortable with her roaming around. Your patience will be tried raising a puppy, just hang in there!
 

furrykidmom

Completely Boxer Crazy
With housebreaking you have to have eyes in the back of your head and you can never blink.

What worked best for us was to keep the pup on a lead attached to our pants. This way he was always visible and you are semi aware of his movement. This way if he squats to go he is close enough to scoop him up and take him outside. Avoid speaking/playing while outside for pottying. Go to the same spot everytime and verbally reward the pup once he has gone and then go back inside. Potty time and play time should not be confused. Follow the other advice that was given here too. I am sure some of mine is redundant.

As for socialization-- With our boy we did everything by the book. We had a puppy book I think it was Ian Dunbar. It said that by the time the pup is12 weeks old. Don't quote me on the the age but 12 weeks was close. Anyway, he should meet at least one hundred people both inside and outside of your home. We had everyone come to visit us that we could. We went to pet stores, strip malls and puppy daycare. Our boy is a lover. He enjoys every person he meets. On the other hand, we got a rescue girl that was very ill as a pup. We got her in the dead of winter and she was a bag of bones. We exposed her to as little as possible because she was so ill. Come spring we had a small family reunion. She ran from everyone. She is very timid around people. She does warm up but very slowly. Take your puppy everywhere. Stand outside your local grocery store for an hour or so. I guarentee you no one can resist petting the puppy.

As for the barking and biting. Your puppy is being a puppy. When he bites yip out loud in a high pitched voice. It will startle the puppy and he will stop biting. Remove yourself from the biting. Give the pup an appropriate chew toy. Ignore the barking, it will stop.

Most importantly--dominating your dog is a thing of the past. Teach your dog to respect you not fear you. Clicker training is the way to go. Dominance training is dangerous. Many caveman years ago I was also taught this type of training. I nearly had my arm ripped off by a foster dog. Turns out he was the alpha. Please do not listen to anyone that tries to teach you that this is the right way to train a dog. My three are all clicker trained. It is a rewarding experience for both you and the dog. Enjoy your new pup. Be patient.

Try some of the reading material recommended on this site too.
 
To gmac-- thanks for your lengthy response and all the helpful articles, but hopefully you misunderstood (or I didn't clearly explain) what I was saying. I would never attempt to bully my puppy, I am simply asking about what I thought were common methods of asserting "who's boss". Again, I appreciate your help, but I would also appreciate less judgement and direct criticism. I did, after all, state that I am looking for ways to get my pup to back down a little without making him fearful or timid-- obviously, this is the last thing that I want.

To everyone else, thank you for your friendly responses! My patience is certainly being tried as a first time puppy owner, but it's well worth it. Does anyone have any suggestions for getting my baby reacquainted with his crate? I think he's started to link his crate with his family being absent, and now he's highly resentful of it. Has anyone else had this problem, and how did you correct it? Thank you!
 

gmacleod

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To gmac-- thanks for your lengthy response and all the helpful articles, but hopefully you misunderstood (or I didn't clearly explain) what I was saying. I would never attempt to bully my puppy, I am simply asking about what I thought were common methods of asserting "who's boss". Again, I appreciate your help, but I would also appreciate less judgement and direct criticism. I did, after all, state that I am looking for ways to get my pup to back down a little without making him fearful or timid-- obviously, this is the last thing that I want.
What you would "appreciate" is not relevant. And you still fail to take on board that showing a baby puppy "who's boss" and asking for ways to make him "back down" is not appropriate treatment of an animal. You're supposed to be the teacher here - not the oppressor. Defending it as something you imagine was a common method is worthless. The fact remains that what you're doing is nothing short of bullying AND you've been given more than enough information that shows you why what you're doing is seriously damaging to your puppy's psyche, and how you should teach instead.

But are you interested in any of that? No. Just in claiming it's not bullying because you didn't mean it that way. Saying you're looking for better ways to behave with him is irrelevant if you're not going to take on board the information you're given.

Boxerworld is a site that promotes solely positive reinforcement training. If the site ethos doesn't suit you, neither does this site. You can go elsewhere, I think. There are plenty of other sites around that suit your sort of outlook better and will pander to your victim complex.
 
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