Demodex Mite found really worried

[BxrMommieNAZ]

Ok I was just told that wellness is excellent, but not for a dog with dedomix mites. I guess giving her straight chicken might not be the best thing for dinner. I guess I could go back to giving her 100% wellness, but I guess it's hard for me to determine how much carbs are in wellness. I was hearing that evo has less carbs?

Evo is not for puppies as are most of the grain free diets are not. There are a few, Orijen has a puppy formula, Taste of the Wild, Natural Balance all 3 have either a puppy formula or are all life stages in their grain free versions. However Evo and Wellness's Core (their grain free version) both state not for dogs under 12 months of age.

 

[oxdarlaluver]

Hi there. My boxer, Ox, had the same thing. WE didn't use injections, but a liquid that we had to put on his back.

The mites are NOT transferable to humans or other dogs. Ox played fine with our other boxer, Darla, and she never got them. Neither did any of us.

That seems like an awful lot to do just for the mites. Is it really bad? The Ivermectin, which we used for a long time, is used to treat worms in pigs and cattle. We had to switch vets, and he gave us a different kind of medicine. I would get a second opinion before you start doing anything.

One more thing I can tell you is that the mites seem to make the animal lose a little weight. You might want to get Roxy on a high protein diet. You should consult with vet.
Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[jboboxer]

Evo is not for puppies as are most of the grain free diets are not. There are a few, Orijen has a puppy formula, Taste of the Wild, Natural Balance all 3 have either a puppy formula or are all life stages in their grain free versions. However Evo and Wellness's Core (their grain free version) both state not for dogs under 12 months of age.

Thanks for all the great info
I just bought a bag of wellness :( I'm hoping maybe I can go through it and then switch to something else. I just called my pet store and they have Natural Balance, so I'll look for their puppy kibble. I'm guessing though that I can go back to wellness for adults though when she's 12 months and that it will be grain free?

I was looking at the adult wellness and they have patatoes, apples as part of their ingredients, doesn't seem to low carb to me
Dog Food Analysis - Reviews of kibble

I couldn't find a link there to natural balance and what's in it.

 

[BxrMommieNAZ]

Thanks for all the great info
I just bought a bag of wellness :( I'm hoping maybe I can go through it and then switch to something else. I just called my pet store and they have Natural Balance, so I'll look for their puppy kibble. I'm guessing though that I can go back to wellness for adults though when she's 12 months and that it will be grain free?

I was looking at the adult wellness and they have patatoes, apples as part of their ingredients, doesn't seem to low carb to me
Dog Food Analysis - Reviews of kibble

I couldn't find a link there to natural balance and what's in it.

Wellness has Wellness Core, it isn't no carb it's GRAIN FREE no barley, millet, rice, gluten, etc all grain free foods will have carbs of some sort. No Natural Balance puppy food is NOT grain free. You'd have to go with their limited ingredient diets which are all life stages and grain free, or with Orijen or with Taste of the Wild. Do not confuse grain free with no carb, they are not the same.

And wellness has regular adult wellness and Wellness Core (grain free), so make sure you are looking at the right one. But again, yes grain free will have carbs, typically potato, potato starch, sweet potato, something along those lines. Also all premium foods are 100% returnable, so if you decide to go with Orijen or something grain free for your pup that is all life stages you can always return the regular Wellness.

 

[kayboxer]

IMO I truely think the Wellness you bought will work well. Just add some chicken too it if you want, or any other protein such as beef, etc. If you add more protein, you could just put in a BIT less kibble, unless she needs to gain weight. I think you are scaring yourself too much. My Roxy has the worse case of mange the vet had ever seen. She was terrible. I switched vets because my other vet said it was allergies (didn't do a skin scraping)! I fed her Innova as I stated previously, and her coat grew back beautifully, she just was allergic to grains. She had goopy stuff in her eyes and her paws were pink and had runny stools. That is the only reason I switched to grainless. Try the Wellness and see how it goes. I have never read that about mites, but that is not to say that it isn't true because I am not an expert, but I have been through a tough case of mange with my dog. Don't get too worked up on the wrong diet yet, I think you are doing well.

 

[jboboxer]

Hi there. My boxer, Ox, had the same thing. WE didn't use injections, but a liquid that we had to put on his back.

The mites are NOT transferable to humans or other dogs. Ox played fine with our other boxer, Darla, and she never got them. Neither did any of us.

That seems like an awful lot to do just for the mites. Is it really bad? The Ivermectin, which we used for a long time, is used to treat worms in pigs and cattle. We had to switch vets, and he gave us a different kind of medicine. I would get a second opinion before you start doing anything.

One more thing I can tell you is that the mites seem to make the animal lose a little weight. You might want to get Roxy on a high protein diet. You should consult with vet.
Good luck and keep us posted.

Well it's amazing how many people I'm talking to who say they had it on their dog and when I ask more questions it turns out they had a few bumps and many some hair loss. My puppy's entire body had bumps, scabes, she couldn't be touched, her hair was falling out all over, her eyes had green mucus coming out of her eyes and I mean really dark mucus. Her eyes were so swollen that she had trouble opening them it would appear. She would scratch her head and cry at times as if in pain.
I wish I could have taken better pictures to show her condition, but as many know it's hard to take pictures of a puppy at times.

The more I read the more it does make me paranoid. Online it says only 70% of are actually cured and a lot of does get it again and again. These are the reasons why I want to do everything possible to make sure everything turns out alright.

It seems she is going through different stages, part of it is red, which I guess it where the red mange name comes from and other parts of her skin are black as I can see.

 

[BxrMommieNAZ]

I've known a few folks with dogs (Boxers as well) that have had mange, I've never known any to get it once it was gone. All of the folks I've known, the condition cleared up (some faster than others) and that was the end of it once it was cleared up and they went on to live happy and health lives.

Don't get me wrong, researching is good, but you can also make yourself crazy by reading every statistic out there, every story out there, every small piece of information out there. You have to learn to take the majority and weed out some of the garbage as well.

 

[kayboxer]

I've known a few folks with dogs (Boxers as well) that have had mange, I've never known any to get it once it was gone. All of the folks I've known, the condition cleared up (some faster than others) and that was the end of it once it was cleared up and they went on to live happy and health lives.

Don't get me wrong, researching is good, but you can also make yourself crazy by reading every statistic out there, every story out there, every small piece of information out there. You have to learn to take the majority and weed out some of the garbage as well.

Totally agree! Roxy never had it again after we cleared it up. I attribute that to a good diet, not necessarily carb free either.

 

[Cami]

Ok I was just told that wellness is excellent, but not for a dog with dedomix mites

May I ask WHO is telling you this? Can you post a link where you have found references stating that CARBS are not good for a dog with demodectic mange? Not a "public" forum with various posters but something from a medical source?

I'm not saying that it isn't factual just that I had never come across that info and did plenty of research when my own girl had d-mange as a pup. She didn't have any "medical" treatment but natural and it self resolved.

I can see where healthier foods would tend to have less carbs or even healthier carbs so I am wondering if that is the correlation. The rule of thumb is to support the body with all of the tools that it needs to become healthier. It would make sense that diet would come into play. At this stage of the game it would also be beneficial to add various known supplements/etc... that directly affect the immune system (omega 3's, various vitamins, apple cider vinegar....the list is endless).

 

[jboboxer]

May I ask WHO is telling you this? Can you post a link where you have found references stating that CARBS are not good for a dog with demodectic mange? Not a "public" forum with various posters but something from a medical source?

I'm not saying that it isn't factual just that I had never come across that info and did plenty of research when my own girl had d-mange as a pup. She didn't have any "medical" treatment but natural and it self resolved.

I can see where healthier foods would tend to have less carbs or even healthier carbs so I am wondering if that is the correlation. The rule of thumb is to support the body with all of the tools that it needs to become healthier. It would make sense that diet would come into play. At this stage of the game it would also be beneficial to add various known supplements/etc... that directly affect the immune system (omega 3's, various vitamins, apple cider vinegar....the list is endless).

Sure, I've seen it in a few places that mites live off of yeast and carbohydrates and removing it from their diet won't allow mites to live. I can't find the scientific study pdf file, but here's one of the links

Demodex

Feed an anti-yeast diet. Mites feed on the yeast living in the body, and systemic yeast feed on nutritional yeast and sugars (carbohydrates). If you break the cycle, you weaken or starve the systemic yeast and the mites are not able to colonize in the pores. This is the reason for a grain less diet (ESPECIALLY NO WHEAT OR YEAST OF ANY KIND) with only meat, bones and low glycemic fruits and veggies -- in other words, only foods that do not readily turn to sugar in the system.

Actually the more and more I google carbs/yeast and the mange I come up with information from Cat Donnelly, Pet Nutritional Consultant. I really don't think this is the person that I saw or it came from on the PDF file I found earlier.

Anyway here's some more info
http://www.alternativepets.com/demodex.html