Dante's Here!! -

[Ali_Crazy]

Dante is so cute! I can't wait to see some more pics and hear some more boxer puppy stories! Glad to hear that he's getting along well with you. Best of luck.

 

[Hberry23]

I'm Jealous!!

Welcome What a doll and all those wrinkles ) don't ya just love em I love Sadie's little head cause her wrinkles are still there

 

[essie]

You’ve made many good points, and I must say that I to do not agree with everything mentioned on that site. I originally stated that there are differences between Boxers breed in Europe and Boxers breed in North America. I used the term “European Boxer” solely based on this fact. You were very adamant in saying that there is no such thing… But you later said “To compare again with cars, like they do on the page you posted [euro-boxer.com], it is like F1 and Indy Cars. Who, in Europe, watch Indy Cars races?”

Do you, or do you not agree that there is a difference?

I’d like to state that I do not believe that there is a “correct” kind of Boxer. I love the Boxer breed as I’m sure every member of this site does. They are all very beautiful, loyal and intelligent dogs, regardless of their origin. Whether you agree that there is a difference or not, I hope that this is the end of this “debate” as my fingers are killing!! :P___

Thanks to all who’ve welcomed me to this forum. I’m looking forward to interacting with you all!

 

[Boxerworld]

Do you, or do you not agree that there is a difference?

There is a difference in style as I wrote earlier. You can't say one is a fast car and the other a jeep. See what I mean?

I’d like to state that I do not believe that there is a “correct” kind of Boxer.

How can I end the debate when you write something like that?
All boxers who are within the boxer standard are correct.
At http://www.boxerworld.com/standards you can see there are different standards but the difference is in the terminology used and they are all based on the original German boxer standard.
You know, the rest is about interpretation and interpretation can vary depending on people, countries etc. Do not think because you got a Belgian boxer coming from Europe that it is "like the original ones": take a look at the first boxer ever registered in a stud book at http://www.americanboxerclub.org/images/flocki.jpg or at any other photos of the first modern boxers at http://www.americanboxerclub.org/boxer_history.html

Olly

 

[essie]

I'm sorry.. Let me elaborate, when I said correct I was referring to European vs. North American... I do understand the standard.

Okay.. So there is a difference in style... this is how I see it as well.

How many times must I say I do not believe that my boxer is better or more correct than any other based on its origin... I never once assumed or even implied that... My whole point was and still is that there is a difference.......

 

[essie]

btw.. I just re-read one of your posts.. Did you imply that I got Dante from a puppy mil? I think you also implied that it is likely that he had no health testing and is in poor standard...!?!? If this is so, and I could be reading it wrong, then please just stop assuming things. His breeder (given the site rules I will not name) is a very reputable breeder. Dante was tested and his parents were both tested. He comes from a line of champions and class winners with titles across Europe, . I would never consider getting any pet from some mil..

 

[Boxerworld]

No, I wrote that you have puppy mills in Europe, and even many of them in Eastern Europe and they are "European Boxers", like your puppy born in Belgium as you accept that term. I do imply that boxers coming from puppy mills have no health tests and poor standard, even if they come from Europe. I even wrote it!

How many times must I say I do not believe that my boxer is better or more correct than any other based on its origin... I never once assumed or even implied that...

Well, the link you posted was very unfortunate then.

My whole point was and still is that there is a difference.......

Sorry, but the point I replied to was about your sentence "European Boxers' ears have to be taped differently than most others as their ears are generally harder" which is ridiculous. There is no such difference based on countries of birth.
Then you posted the link about the "differences" that were also based on nothing to be polite. I fail to see how the so called European boxers coat have a "much softer and silkier to the touch than somewhat thorny coat of the North American Boxer" etc.
The only difference is that your boxer is unique... like everyone else boxer.

Olly

 

[boxer]

Let me elaborate, when I said correct I was referring to European vs. North American... I do understand the standard.

I don’t think you understand well at all… or at least, you don’t give a good impression of it. Barring slight terminology differences, the boxer standard in all countries is the same. And corrrect dogs in all countries look very much the same. It is amongst the incorrect and/or poorly bred dogs that you may see differences A puppy mill in Poland is much the same as one in Kansas… none of the dogs coming out of them look much like correct boxers.

As for style – there is as much difference in style between a dog bred in Italy and a dog bred in Hungary as there is between a Belgian boxer and a US one, or between a French boxer and a UK one. But between the correct dogs, the difference is not only minimal, but impossible to detect which country the dog originates from. There is no such thing as a single “European” boxer, and insisting that there is is something of a nonsense. How many have you actually seen? In the flesh, I mean, not just pictures. LOL – I’ve seen quite a few over the years, and when they’re not stacked in their contrasting styles, it is not easy to identify origin – even amongst incorrect dogs.

I think what you're also missing here is the the term "European boxers" so loved by non-Europeans and European wanabes is actually rather insulting to breeders in European countries who are producing correct dogs. It's a term greatly loved by the puppy millers though, since it makes their poor-quality dogs somehow 'special'

As for never implied that "European boxers" are better… well, I visited that link you keep posting. What an anti-American rant! Based on the opinions given on that site, breeders in the US should just quit breeding their terrible dogs right away. I hope you’ve got more sense than to buy into that sort of propaganda. I think you’d find a less biased (and better qualified) viewpoint from articles like this one: http://www.boxerunderground.com/bu2000/abc2002/boxer_type.htm

 

[Iaboy]

Esse, I just think he is gorgeous I don't know if there is a difference between European and NA boxers I lived in Europe for 9 years and didn't even have a dog. That was a while ago and I don't remember if I ever sighted one. I plan on getting some pictures of Max up in the next month or so he always gets compliments but he is just a fawn neutered boy with natural ears and a little flash on his chest, nose and paws. Have a good day and enjoy your new pup. Love the name.

Bob and Max

Max Fawn Male
DOB: 3.16.03

 

[eveluvsDaisy]

Hi!
Welcome to BW! I have read all the postings here and Essie, your Dante does not look any different than my Daisy Girl (besides colouring & ears!). My Daisy comes from Canada. I honestly see no differences. Mind you I am not a very experienced Boxer owner. Daisy is our first!

Moving on....good luck with your new baby and i look forward to seeing your pup on the dog show circuits some day! Go Dante!

Cheers!