Breeding question

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Samson

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Well hopefully someone can point be in the right direction. Samson is a 6 month old flashy fawn boxer with excellent markings. I have been approached by more than one breeder about using him as a stud but I really have no clue about what I should look for or what I should do. Is it my responsibility to check for genetic testing in the female? How old should Samson be before I agree to this and what should I receive for the service. I have never really gave much thought to this except that one day I figured I would breed him but I do want to do everything correctly, that is why I am asking for help now. Most of everything I have read seems to be about the female and what it takes to have the pups, take care of them and what to do when selling. Not much on the studding process and what my responsibility is. I don't want to find just random info on the web, but informed correct information, so please steer me in the right direction.
 
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Julie Davis

Boxer Insane
Hi from one Floridian to another! I wish I could answer your questions, but I have no experience in breeding. Hopefully, one of the members who is a breeder will see your thread and help you out. Good luck, :)
 

Krikkit

Boxer Insane
Hi Al and Samson :)

Originally posted by Samson
Is it my responsibility to check for genetic testing in the female?

It would be the responsible thing to do. It would be such a shame to have Samson fully tested and clear and not require the same thing of the female. Ask to view the certification and look at the OFA website for results too. OFA URL is http://www.offa.org/

GENETIC AND SUSPECT-GENETIC HEALTH CONDITIONS IN THE BOXER
http://clubs.akc.org/abc/genetic_diseases.htm

Health Checks before breeding
http://www.erinet.com/ghost/chkbreed.htm

Brucellosis in dogs Drs. Foster & Smith
http://www.showdog-magazine.com/brucello.htm

PRE - BREEDING EXAMINATION FOR THE STUD DOG
http://showdogsupersite.com/kenlclub/breedvet/vpbsd1.html

How old should Samson be before I agree to this and what should I receive for the service.


He should be two years of age or over as generally it is thought that dog's should be that age for the testing to be considered accurate :) As far as price goes it is dependent on many things, Samson's show / working record, his conformation, his bloodlines etc etc. (I've no idea of the 'standard' rate in the USA). Here the cost of service will vary slightly from area to area as well. Sometimes stud owners will ask for pick of litter. A contract should be used and there are also agreements on what happens if the mating does not take.

Samples of contracts:

http://www.redstonegroup.org/GSD/Contracts/stud.html

http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/lizclare/contracts.html

http://www.showdogsupersite.com/kenlclub/k9journal/k9j002.html

http://www.showdogsupersite.com/kenlclub/k9journal/sscona.html

http://www.showdogsupersite.com/kenlclub/k9journal/ssconb.html

The best source of information on this would be your local Boxer club and show scene. Samson is only young so joining the club if you have not already, and attending shows would really help you talk to people and get feedback on breeding Samson.

Florida Boxer Clubs are listed here http://clubs.akc.org//abc/boxerclubs.htm

You can find upcoming shows and events here
http://www.akc.org/dic/index.cfm

Most of everything I have read seems to be about the female

Yes, it does sometimes seem as if the role of the stud dog is not written about enough but a lot which applies to females does apply to males :) It would be good to read as much as you can about breeding as well as about male and female anatomy. Most times it is the female who visits the male and the stud dog owner is frequently called on for assistance with pregnancy and whelping issues. There are many very good books available on breeding dogs and a search at Dogwise or Amazon will help you find those which suit you.

You may find these articles on Stud Dogs helpful:

Breeding Considerations for Stud Dog Owners
http://www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/rar/issues/consider.htm

Breeding/Stud Services
http://www.sheltie.com/breedstud.htm

DECISIONS, DECISIONS...THE STUD DOG
http://www.bullmastiff.com/mutual/decison2.htm

DEVELOPING A STUD DOG FOR SUCCESSFUL BREEDING
http://www.purina.com/breeders/magazine.asp?article=274

REPRODUCTIVE EXPERTISE
http://www.breedervet.com/breeding.htm

Considerations for Stud Dogs
http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/breeding.html#stud_dogs

SELECTING SIRES
http://www.breedingbetterdogs.com/sires.html

Getting Started As a Responsible Breeder
http://www.akc.org/breeds/breederinfo/breeder.cfm

I hope this information helps with your research.
 

JulieM

Boxer Insane
Wow Sharon, what excellent resources! I'm bookmarking this page for myself, as a few of them were new to me :)

I just want to echo what Sharon said. Even though you are "only" the stud dog owner, you are still partly responsible for those puppies.

A few things you should think about and know your own answers to before you agree to any breedings:

What faults does your boy have? You will not want to breed to a bitch with the same faults. You'll also want to keep track of the pups, so that you can learn what qualities he passes on to his offspring - and how much influence the bitch has over those qualities. (For example, my brood bitch is a little bit straight in the rear. For a stud dog, we wouldn't want to use a dog that also is straight in the rear - except, as was the case in her first breeding, when that stud dog *produces* dogs with ample rear angles.) That way you'll be able to help the bitch owners when they come to you - he won't be right for every bitch, and they'll respect and appreciate you telling them why he isn't.

Also - what will you do in the event of white puppies? Do you plan to follow the ABC Code of Ethics (which you must do if you ever want to join even a local Boxer Club), which forbids the registration or inclusion in the litter count of any white puppies? Make sure, if this is the case, that it is spelled out in the stud service contract. Since you have to sign the litter application, you can put that you will not sign any litter application that includes in the count puppies of a color not allowed in the breed Standard (or however that's phrased in the COE).

Know what type of guarantee you are going to offer - what do you consider a successful breeding? Typically around here it's two live colored puppies that survive past seven days of age. If the breeding doesn't take, if there is only one puppy - or if they are all whites - what recourse will the bitch owner have? Will you refund the stud fee? Offer a free breeding the next time she comes into season (or on another bitch of similar quality)?

Are you equipped to house the bitches? Typically the bitch will come to the stud. You'll be responsible for her care while she is there to be bred (and for making sure no other dogs have the opportunity to breed her). What happens in the event of a veterinary emergency? Who pays the costs? That contingency should be covered in your contract as well.

Do you know how to do a breeding? It isn't always as easy as putting them together (usually it's only that easy when you *don't* want that particular dog and bitch bred ;)) - especially if the bitch is a maiden. Do you have a mentor who will help you with the first few breedings, until you're comfortable handling them on your own?

What about the puppies? Are you going to request names/addresses of puppy buyers? Require that they be sold after a certain age - and that they not be sold to any brokers or pet stores? Are you willing to help with placement of the puppies (at any time during their life)?

A couple more good links for you:

http://clubs.akc.org/vizsla/studdog.pdf

http://www.bluegrace.com/virtualbreeding.html

The Virtual Breeding site focuses primarily on the bitch, but there is a brief look at what can happen to a stud dog - and IMO anyone who is breeding, bitch or stud owner, should know what is involved in the entire process - and what can go wrong.
 

Samson

Boxer Pal
I just wanted to thank everyone for the amount of info I now have to read. I was starting to worry that I would'nt find the answers. It also worries me now that one of the breeders that knew Samson's age wanted to breed at 9 mos. I thought that seemed to early but now know that it definitely is, thank you.
I am lucky to know my dogs bloodlines all the way to his great grandparents and have the DNA testing results for the majority of his ancestors so that does ease my mind. And I will definitely join a local club so they can help me also.
Again thanks a lot.
 
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