Boxers and cats.....please give success stories....

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bayleebrndl

Boxer Buddy
We have a 7 year old cat that we absolutely adore! She's been our sweet pampered baby since she was a kitten. We've had Baylee, our boxer pup, now for about 4 months (she's 6 months old). Baylee continually chases our cat and won't give up until our cat is hiding under the bed and Baylee can't reach her. Even when the cat hisses, Baylee will not stop chasing her. It's gotten so bad that our cat continually hides the whole time that Baylee is out of her crate...... One of the reasons we picked a boxer was because we've read they're good with kids, other animals they're raised with, etc. Please tell me it will get better? I read a story here the other day where someone's boxers attacked and killed a cat and now I am freaking out..... I hope that some day down the road we'll be able to let Baylee free in the house while we're gone and at night, but this scares me. Any advice and/or success stories about boxers and cats to put my mind at ease??
 

gmacleod

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Baylee continually chases our cat and won't give up until our cat is hiding under the bed and Baylee can't reach her. Even when the cat hisses, Baylee will not stop chasing her. It's gotten so bad that our cat continually hides the whole time that Baylee is out of her crate......

No, it will not get any better as long as you allow the dog to chase the cat. At all. A singular step in the cat's direction - with the intention or desire to chase - has to be stopped in it's infancy of thought if you want to train the behaviour out of the dog. There is no way in this world that this will extinguish itself. No way at all. Rather, if you continue to allow the dog's prey drive to be satisfied in this fashion, then you'll end with a dog that always chases. And if it ever catches, you might just have a dead cat. And if that happens, you can then expect that dog to kill any cat it ever manages to catch up with. Prey drive is something very real, and if you just let it run it's course as you appear to be doing, then you've got to accept that the likely outcome is that nature intends prey to meet (that is, escape or death).

If the puppy cannot be controlled by commands, then she *needs* to be leashed so that you can control her behaviour until you DO have her trained. And that training isn't going to happen by itself. You've got to do the teaching if you expect to shape the dog's behaviour.

As for if it's possible - yes, most certainly, with appropriate training. Here's a dog with a decent prey drive (enough for chasing-to-kill foxes and birds, and even for discriminating between "his" cats and others) - but with an appropriate education about what's acceptable and what's not (which never, not for one moment, included chasing or not backing of the moment someone hissed): http://www.boxerworld.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=65208
http://www.boxerworld.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=44659
http://www.boxerworld.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=15955
 

SonnyRoutt

Boxer Pal
Dog chases cat

I agree. You train the dog to stop that behavior. Unfortunately, if the cat runs...it's a HUGE temptation and natural for the dog to chase. My cat was 7mos. when I got Monte (@8weeks) and they grew up and played together. Today, Bageerah doesn't run...he actually submits imediately by rolling over on his back, taking the fun out of the chase. I have other cats outside from neighbors and so I have trained Monte on lead to leave them alone and he does. Walks right by and so these cats no longer run, prompting a chase. It can be done. I had a childhood boxer, Duke, that caught a neighbor's cat and shook it like a rag right in front of me (@8yrs. old) and I never forgot the trauma. Though I loved that boxer (we grew up together), he wasn't well trained and was always aggressive toward other animals...even killed a small toy dog that was running loose in the neighborhood. So be protective and work on his training.
 

bayleebrndl

Boxer Buddy
How do you teach this?

Okay your pictures show exactly what I want!!! Please help. I couldn't agree more that it needs to be taught.....but HOW? We do not just allow it to happen. We scold Baylee (by scold I mean sternly say no, remove her from the area, etc) when she does it. The hard part is that she's a 6-month old boxer and she's faster than both my husband and I so we can't catch her until she's down the hall chasing our cat. It doesn't help that our cat is very skiddish......Baylee is fine with our cat normally, until the cat runs from being frightened and Baylee chases her because she wants to play.......Suggestions please!!!!!!!!!????????!!!!
 

ELubas

Boxer Insane
No advice but those pictures just make me :) At his young age you can do a lot of shaping of his behvior. Best of luck to you
 

gmacleod

Elusive Moderator
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First things first: the dog *cannot* chase the cat. If that cannot be controlled by voice command alone (and very likely it can't if he's already hyped and primed to chase) then PUT THE DOG ON A LEASH. The basics are as simple as that. You've got a house rule that says no chasing and trying to kill the other pets (be it cat, bunny or hamster). Well, if the dog doesn't yet understand that rule, then quite simply it should not be allowed to be in a position to break the rule. So control the dog's behaviour until you *have* taught it. That means a leash so that it cannot chase.

Then you start on the desensitisation. Of both cat and dog to each other. In the case of the cat, that's likely to take a while, since he's already been terrorised. It will take a while of absolute no chasing before he's likely to trust that he won't be chased, and is brave enough to venture out and NOT to run. There are no shortcuts to re-establishing his trust. You've just got to give that one time, and to encourage him out as much as you can.

For the dog... First and foremost is that you *must* prevent any chasing. That doesn't mean keeping the pup crated all it's life. But it *does* mean that until the pup is trained NOT to chase, that you should be controlling Baylee's behaviour until such time as she's trained. If that means a leash, then it means a leash. But you've no hope of having a greater influence on her behaviour than instinct and adrenelyn once she's started to chase. So stop it before it starts. Then you've a hope of teaching her it's not appropriate, EVEN if the cat runs.

Has Baylee been taught a "leave it" command? If not, now is a very very good time to do so. A short article on that here: http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/view_the-leave-it-command.htm

Aside from preventing the chasing from happening, what you need to be teaching the pup is to ignore the cat. So, you put her on a leash so that the chasing can't happen. That's the essential step 1. Then you need to start the desensitising. For this, you rather need the cat to be around (hopefully she's still willing...), and (whilst preventing chasing from happening), start trying to draw the dog's attention away from the cat. You ask the dog to "leave it" or to look at you (whichever can work), and then *reward* the dog for turning her attention away. Then engage her in something else that's fun. In short, you are rewarding her for ignoring and simultaneously giving her something more rewarding to do. It's win-win for the dog, so she should be compliant.

Keep on doing this, and after some time you should end with a pup who doesn't pay any attention when the cat comes into the room. Or that sees the cat, then immdediately looks to you to see what game you've got in store. But doesn't chase, or make any move on the cat. Ignoring alone is a very positive step, and is probably about the time that you can try letting the dog approach the cat without jumping in with your "leave it". BUT - the instant the cat either turns away, runs, or hisses/swats or anything else that lets you know the cat has had enough, you immediately instruct the dog to "leave it" and to come to you. Then reward the compliance (reward WELL).

Do you see what you're teaching here? In the first instance, it's desensitisation. Getting the dog to the point that the first instinct isn't to chase and kill. THEN you're working on ignoring - teaching the dog that there are more interesting things in the world than cats. And third (but as important as the previous), you're teaching the dog that when the cat indicates enough, it IS enough. No questions asked, the dog backs off the instant the cat says back off. Put another way, the cat is always right (even if it's not). Because the cat is the one who can get hurt or killed, and you cannot afford to have a situation where the dog is inclined to chase or to retaliate. Thus, you need to teach them not to. Does that lot all make a bit of sense?

DO put that pup on a leash straight away though. With the best will in the world, you'll never over-ride instinct and adrenelyn if you allow chasing. So you've got to put a stop to that one before you put your energies into teaching her more appropriate rules. It's a pain, certainly, but it's not forever. And if you want a harmonious household, it's very much worth your while.
 

SonnyRoutt

Boxer Pal
dogs and cats

Yep...keep on a leash with support verbal commands. When you recognized your pup is getting it, you grant him more privilge off the leash...only if he's responding to voice command. Be patient - he's young. The cat definately will heal eventually when it realizes the danger is no maas...
 

bayleebrndl

Boxer Buddy
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Okay, I definitely understand and agree with what everyone is saying, however, she doesn't do it often so keeping her on a leash indoors all the time seems like all it would do is piss Baylee off.... she does leave our cat alone for the most part and again will only chase the cat if the cat is running. This only happens maybe once every two days or so.....and sense the opportunity doesn't present itself very much, I really doubt that she would get why she's on a leash. If this is the case, do you think that we can go to the "desensitization" step of the process??? When Baylee does get near the cat, she just paws at her like a boxer, and just looks at her like "What is this thing? I don't think it's a dog like me, but I'm not sure." So the worst part is that our cat is just totally afraid of Baylee.....but that's because she's NEVER been around other animals at all. She doesn't even come out when company is over - only me and my husband so she is very skiddish...
 

Pearlywhirly

Boxer Insane
The point of her being on lead is not to have her understand your motives, she won't even notice it. It's so you can CONTROL your dog when she chases the cat. Every few days is too often and eventually she will catch the cat which could be very bad for kitty. Gmac gives very good advice, why not just try it? :)

I brought Pearl into a household with two cats who had never been around dogs before. Pearl was on lead when she was free in the house, sometimes even clipped to my belt, for at least a month. She wanted to chase but I knew she could hurt them or get hurt by them and why risk it? My cats are used to her by now but they are not naturally skittish either, that also makes a difference in your situation. If kitty is that skittish, being chased every few days must be a nightmare for her.
 

SkooterIsMe

Boxer Booster
Harley LOVES cats! My cat Tigger is about 9 now, and has grown up with dogs, but never one as big as Harley. When I brought Harley home at 8 weeks, he was already the size of the biggest dog Tigger had ever been around. Lol.

Harley still loves to pester Tigger, but he doesnt chase him. Mainly because Tigger doesnt run from him, just gently paws at him or ignores him until I call the pup off. I guess it helps when you have a saint for a cat. :)

But for a long time, I had to physically stop Harley from trying to run after Tigger. My cat's big, and Harley just wants to play with him.

http://www.boxerworld.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=74014&cat=500&ppuser=53324
 
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