Biting/growling

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tasham

Boxer Booster
My puppy is sweet as can be and is not mean or nippy with anyone ever except for when I try to move him or pick him up when he is comfy or sleeping. Many times if I try to pick him up while on the couch to move him to his bed or to another part of the couch, once I put my arms underneath him and around him and start to actually pick him up he will growl and show his teeth. If I keep contining to lift him up, he will try to bite me. He's done this to both me and my hubby. If I have to pick him up if he's up playing or something, he's usually fine, but it seems he gets really cranky when he's comfortable and doesn't want to be moved. Any suggestions?
 

gmacleod

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Lots of dogs (actually most) don't really like being picked up. And actually, that's quite fair enough - even aside from the precariousness of being carried in someone's arms, just the act of wrapping your arms around a dog is a very dominant/threatening gesture in dog terms. We don't think of it that way, of course - but we're primates, and wrapping your arms around someone is more about warm fuzzy stuff than threats and domination. Thing is though, for your puppy to start feeling comfortable with it, he needs to recognise that you don't mean it in the terms another dog would.

I would not be worried about the growling and biting. Consider the above, then you've got to acknowledge that it's actually a fair reaction. He's not comfortable and probably feels threatened (normal dog reaction, remember). So he lets you know to back off please. You probably (well, certainly) are ignoring the subtle/polite signals and persisting. So he growls. You still persist, so he snaps at you. He's not being aggressive, he's being defensive.

Your choices thus are two. One is to simply stop trying to pick him up. The second is to back off a bit and work to gain his confidence till he can understand that, from a human, arms wrapped around him or being lifted isn't the threatening gesture he thinks it is. I'd recommend the latter course. Not because you're likely to spend massive amounts of time when he's bigger trying to lift him. But because the majority of humans never consider that gestures that have warm fuzzy connotations in primate terms (like hugging) have the opposite connotation to dogs. So it's perfectly likely that some strangers, kids included, are going to rush up and try to hug your dog at various times throughout his life. Now, you're never going to make the dog love being hugged ;) But you can work to desensitise him to it, gain confidence, and realise that it's not a threat from a human. There's much less risk of him being surprised and reacting defensively then when confronted by some strange human trying to hug him. Do take it slowly though, and back off a bit if he's defending. It's confidence he needs, not to be forced.
 

Bernice

Completely Boxer Crazy
Lots of dogs (actually most) don't really like being picked up. And actually, that's quite fair enough - even aside from the precariousness of being carried in someone's arms, just the act of wrapping your arms around a dog is a very dominant/threatening gesture in dog terms. We don't think of it that way, of course - but we're primates, and wrapping your arms around someone is more about warm fuzzy stuff than threats and domination. Thing is though, for your puppy to start feeling comfortable with it, he needs to recognise that you don't mean it in the terms another dog would.

I would not be worried about the growling and biting. Consider the above, then you've got to acknowledge that it's actually a fair reaction. He's not comfortable and probably feels threatened (normal dog reaction, remember). So he lets you know to back off please. You probably (well, certainly) are ignoring the subtle/polite signals and persisting. So he growls. You still persist, so he snaps at you. He's not being aggressive, he's being defensive.

Your choices thus are two. One is to simply stop trying to pick him up. The second is to back off a bit and work to gain his confidence till he can understand that, from a human, arms wrapped around him or being lifted isn't the threatening gesture he thinks it is. I'd recommend the latter course. Not because you're likely to spend massive amounts of time when he's bigger trying to lift him. But because the majority of humans never consider that gestures that have warm fuzzy connotations in primate terms (like hugging) have the opposite connotation to dogs. So it's perfectly likely that some strangers, kids included, are going to rush up and try to hug your dog at various times throughout his life. Now, you're never going to make the dog love being hugged ;) But you can work to desensitise him to it, gain confidence, and realise that it's not a threat from a human. There's much less risk of him being surprised and reacting defensively then when confronted by some strange human trying to hug him. Do take it slowly though, and back off a bit if he's defending. It's confidence he needs, not to be forced.

as they say "you learn something new every day" and I just sure have!
wonderful helpful advise!
 

K8IE

Boxer Insane
I agree with Gmacleod. Many dogs do not tolerate being held very well. One thing I would add is, if he is actually sleeping and you need to move him, make sure to wake him with your voice first, make sure he is fully awake and aware before doing anything. A lot of times if you reach out to touch him before he is really awake it will startle him and make the situation worse. Also, teaching him to react to your voice, and giving him the "off" command will help you to be able to "move" him, without having to touch him at all. Cooper does not mind me picking him up at all, but if I do want him to get up from his bed or off the couch, I first call out to him, make sure he is awake and then call him to me, but I give him a minute to wake up first. :)
 

HurricaneBox

Boxer Insane
It is possible, as Gmacleod said, to get them used to it over time. We have worked with Hurricane since day one and now I could haul him all over the place in my arms if I wanted to (not that I would, he weighs a little too much, I would probably break my back :) ) and he would not make a peep of fuss, but we have had him 7 months and worked on it daily. As a matter of fact, the lazy dog would probably enjoy it! :LOL:

I would definitely recommend desensitising your pup to being held though, as has already been mentioned - people automatically want to cuddle and hug anything we see as cute (and boxers are the cutest of cute!) and you don't want to run in to trouble later down the road with human/dog miscommunications.
 

tasham

Boxer Booster
Thanks everyone for the replies. GMA, I appreciate your explanation of how they think versus us! I always forget my babies aren't in fact human like me?!? LOL! Although, I swear my oldest one has always figured himself a four-legged human. I even have to spell certain things out if I don't want him to understand me. You've all given me great suggestions and helped me not freak out that my puppy was having some sort of human aggression problems. Baxter, my old boy, has never minded being handled, picked up, cuddled with, used as a pillow, using me as a pillow, etc. I still to this day can pick him up to put him in the back of the car or on the bed or really anywhere (although he's quite heavy), and he never has minded, so Cyrus doing being cranky about it as a puppy concerned me a bit. Cyrus definitely has his own personality and I respect that though. He's more independent than Baxter ever has been. Anyway, I wish he would respond to "off" but we are still working on this with him, and he's not quite liking this command all too well or the "come" command. Everything else he does well with, but he has a stubborn streak, so we'll keep working with him. As posted earlier, ya learn something new every day! :)
 

ELubas

Boxer Insane
Your two sound like mine-at seventy-five pounds my six year old , Fraze, would be happy to be carried everywhere.I swear you could pick him up and move him to a different house and he would not care :LOL: My girl, not so much. She is sensitive about being "surprised" and definetely can do without the huggin'. So we give her her space and we also taught her "off", so she can move on her own which she does willingly. It just takes a little time. Funny you mention the "independance" as Nysa is that way-very confident and off on her own, while Fraze is more of a stick by the pack type of dog. They are all so different :)
 

elindave

Completely Boxer Crazy
I can relate. For the first 6 wks we after we got Nikita she would growl under her breath and try and nip at my arms if I tried to pick her up or hold her. She got over it and now she actually loves to be held and licks my face in the process. Good luck!

Eli
Nikita, (Aug 28 07) fawn, floppy, docked
 
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