Bad yard behavior

[JulieM]

I haven't read this book, but from the reviews I've seen it sounds very much like it is promoting methods that we at Boxerworld don't support - throwing things at your dog to get it to come to you, punishing the dog (up to a year after it has had a potty accident in the house???), hitting dogs to stop a fight, using a match in the rectum to housetrain....not the kind of relationship I want to have with my dogs, at any rate. Apparently the author also states that his way is the ONLY way to train that works, every other training technique is wrong, and that his method will work for every dog. Which we all know is a bunch of hooey

If you read this book, do so with a grain of salt, and keep in mind the many other successful methods that don't involve physical punishment/correction.

 

[clearlykoi]

Update

Thor is doing, or I should say, I, am doing much better. I've moved his kiddie pool in an area that he enjoys better (better view of me when in the yard and house) and I also added toys to it, so that he pays attention to the toys IN HIS pool, VS the pond plants. We've also found success in Thor being sent back into the house when he "trespasses" in an area he isn't allowed. I'm not sure how or why this works, but as you mentioned ~~~

"Apparently the author also states that his way is the ONLY way to train that works, every other training technique is wrong, and that his method will work for every dog. Which we all know is a bunch of hooey "

~~ and, its working.

That book sounds really sad :(

Best wishes

 

[dawn wiley]

It's like the Harry Potter thing

If you can't find time to read the book than don't bother taking the time to bash it. Hear say is just that, and it does no one any good.

This guy has been the director of education in animal behavior and trainig for the NYC ASPCA he wouldn't do harm to any animal. He helped the Federal goevernment with their Open Cities program teaching children awareness of the intelligence, and sensitivity of animals. And back in 1974, Paul Loeb introduced the idea of using animals to comfort the sick and elderly......not a traditional guy. But not a danger to your Dog!
Of course if you can't stretch your mind past the inside of the "box" then you wont be able to get past the first chapter. It seems to me that many animals have better sense than their owners, and deserve a training method that reflects that...it's Paul Loeb's specialty.

 

[Eric J]

Harry Potter series is a great read, dont see how people not understanding a fantasy series and thinking it is evil witchcraft (two words that are not the same, contrary to popular belief) to recommending a book that says hit your dog, or do other things, we at boxer world have agreed to upon joining not discussing on this bandwidth.

You sound like a believer in these works wich is your decision, but when an author says only his style works (as per above post) when that is a proven lie in any other animal training book I have read, then I automatically would think this person was more self centered (by my book, only it works) then dog centered to begin with.

Using past positions to show how great he is, proves nothing. Social Workers, Priests and even Teachers (some of the noblest proffesions in my belief) have been found guilty of being abusive to children, sounds to me this author is preaching abuse to animals, regardless of what bully pulpit he shouts from. After reading it, I am more of a believer in the Dog Listener then physcically hitting an animal.

Before you post read the book and leave the old paradigm behind, I will show you some facts about his training methods I found online from reviews at Amazon.Com, all of wich I bookmarked so if you wish to ask for the source I will happily reply in a PM.


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Tabasco on your dogs gums for soiling in the house.
Slap him real hard so that he knows he did wrong.
Put vinegar on his nose so that he knows it is your house and not his.
Throw an object (sneaker, etc) at your dog to get him to obey.
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I have a pretty basic belief in animal care. If I wouldn't treat a human that way, I won't do it to an animal. How would you feel if someone pulled those maneuvers on you? If you say it is only a dog/animal, then you are not even listening to the message of the books you are supporting, that states dogs think like humans (another fallacy of this author you are defending).

 

[JulieM]

if you can't stretch your mind past the inside of the "box"

Obviously, you haven't read many of my posts. I am quite far outside of the box, thank you very much.

And no, I haven't read the book - basically because I see no need to waste my time or money on it. The reviews were by people that I trust and respect, I know that their views align with mine, and I have no reason to doubt their thoughts or motivations. These also are people who are quite good at thinking outside the box. (In fact, Mr. Loeb seems to be more inside the box than many others, as he is still using much of Kohler's technique - although he claims it as his own.)

I notice that you did not refute any of the comments I made about the techniques he promotes. If they are incorrect, please let me know. You yourself stated that he advocates punishing a dog for accidents in the house after the fact. No one has ever claimed that dog won't remember what they did - but the fact is that they won't associate the punishment with the action, only with the punisher.

This guy has been the director of education in animal behavior and trainig for the NYC ASPCA he wouldn't do harm to any animal.

Is the NYC ASPCA a no-kill shelter, then?

Certainly there are bits and pieces of useful information to be garnered, like most any book (even Kohler's and Kilcommons'). The underlying feeling from people who train dogs professionally, from outside of the box, is that Mr. Loeb's techniques are aversive and that his understanding of canine behavior is outdated at best. If the techniques work for you, great - but as I said, they will not work for every dog (regardless of what the author claims) and they are not in line techniques that Boxerworld finds acceptable.