Atopic Dermatitis

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araine

Boxer Pal
Has anyone else had a dog or boxer been diagnosed with atopic dermatitis? And if so, what medications do you use and does it help? Does your dog itch itself and lick itself so much that it nearly bites the pads of his/her off, to the point of bleeding?

Harley is on atopica which does appear to be helping, A LOT. Before, she lost most of her hair on her sides, was pink colored on where you could see skin, yeast infections in between her toes and constant ear infections and postules all over her body.

It does appear that she just likes to make herself bleed, and I feel so bad wrapping herself up because she doesnt realize she is making herself prone to infection.
 

cantfindlog

Completely Boxer Crazy
I have an itchy dog, too.

First off, have you been or will you be going to a vet dermatologist? I do and it really has been helpful. While most regular vets have extensive knowledge of allergies, they don't always have or know the latest and greatest.

I have used Atopica and then transitioned to regular cyclosporine with Leah. It didn't really help a lot. I think it helped in the sense that I was able to get some of her feet issues under control and her general overall skin health in check. I have since taken Leah off of it. My choice, not my vet derm.

In your post you didn't mention if a thyroid test has been done yet? If not, you need to have the vet run a *complete* thyroid test done. Not just the T-4 that is usually done. This test will tell a lot. If thyroid is low this could be causing some of the skin issues.

You mention pustules, you need to find out if this is a staph infection. I don't know much about staph as Leah never had it. From what I've read you really need to get that under control because it can get out of control. Do some searching on that and see the vet if you haven't already.

Allergies are a real pain in the butt and each case is different. With that said here is what I do for Leah:

Feet: OMG in the beginning I thought she would chew those toes right off. I will tell you this: It took MONTHS before I got this under control. Now she has pretty white boxer feet. At night when I take my make-up off and get ready for bed Leah gets wiped down from head to toe with a clean, soft rag with water every night that isn't her bath night. Clean and dry well between the toes.

Bathing: Leah gets a bath every week with a shampoo called Douxo Chlorhexidine PS. Google Douxo.com and the company website is: Sogevalus.com. At the Sogeval website lists all products made and links to helpful information. Leah is on this particular shampoo due to her yeast issues and has bought of folliculites. Please remember that I didn't choose this product on my own, my vet derm did and let me tell you it has been an absolute live saver for Leah. Also, I clean Leah's ears once a week. You have to keep on the ears once you clear up the infections or they will come back. I noticed if the ear is itchy the feet are next.

Antihistamines: Leah has tried all of them except Allegra. Leah can't take Benadryl anymore because instead of it calming her she becomes very hyper. All the over the counter antihistamines can be tried with the supervision of the vet so that the correct dosage is used and never get those pills with a decongestant in the formula. Dangerous to dogs.

Leah also had skin allergy testing done and is on a weekly shot for that. It only helps a little. Leah happens to on the edge of the 30% of dogs that don’t respond to immunization shots.

You didn’t mention what kind of diet Harley is on? Make sure it is a grain free food. If you haven’t checked it out, see: dogfoodanalysis.com for an extensive list of dog foods and ratings. I have Leah on a limited ingredient diet. Avoid lots of carbohydrates as those convert to sugars and sugars cause yeast problems.

Leah is also on a fish oil supplement daily along with her antihistamine. Research suggests that taken together the two create a more synergistic effect than taking one or the other separately.

I haven’t used this a lot, but apple cider vinegar with the “mother” floating in it also can help a lot. I never gave it to Leah in her water, as many people do, I did use it several times on her feet to help with clearing up the feet as long as there isn’t any open or seeping wounds on the feet. I’ve been reading and hearing of people having really good luck using virgin coconut oil. Do a search on BW for either the apple cidar vinegar or the coconut oil and many posts will surface about the uses of these two items.

You can also search using my user name and look to see if I have more information on another post.

The other piece of advice is: Keep a journal everyday of what the skin was like, what you used and list the pros and cons for the day. It really helped me to track what I did and what I didn’t. When you’re at the start of this long road of allergies you try so many things that you can get lost. Remember, to give each new thing you try time to work. You don’t always see results immediately. I know it’s hard, but you will get some where, it takes time.

Good luck, keep researching and trying things out and come here for advice or to talk it out if you need to!
 
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araine

Boxer Pal
Okay let me fill you in more. It has taken 2 years of testing on Harley to get diagnosed. She has had a full thyroid panel as well as skin tests (poor girl).

She is allergic to carrots, oats, polle, grass, and dust mites.

She is currently (for her weight) on Science Diet RD (which I hate that food) which contains non of the above. She has done well on it. We cook in fresh chicken breast and mix with it to give more protein. Once she has lost 5 more pounds the vet will be putting her on natural balance, one of the only foods we have been able to find that has good natural ingredients in it without the stated above food allergies.

The atopica has really diminished the paw and ear issues. We were not able to afford the shots for her though, and the vet said that it could take a month before we would even know if it would work.

For her paws we put desitin in between her toes or baby powder to keep dry which did help. The pustules, never got infected. They just came and went honestly. We don't see a normal vet, we actually see a specialist that takes care of dog with major health issues such as Harley.

Harley has seen over 5 vets, and this one has been the only one that had extensive knowledge on atopic dermatitis, because I had told the other vets that's what it was (from research online) and none would agree with me, until I met this one.

Her atopica pills are expensive, but manageable. The pads of her feet are a new thing. I of course will be scheduling a vet appointment if it gets worse, but Harley is constantly needing care in this form, so I cant afford to run to the vet every week there is a problem unfortunately.
 

Cami

Boxer Insane
She has had a full thyroid panel

Do you have a copy of the results. I'd bet a months salary that you are dealing with a thyroid issue. BOXERS ARE DIFFERENT when it comes to thyroid issues (testing numbers).
They can test within normal limits but still need and benefit from supplementation.
Weight issues, hair loss, allergy symptoms, skin infections.....classic Boxer thyroid symptoms.
If you have the test result numbers there is a formula you can use to gauge a 50% range. Over that range would be a non-thyroid issue. Under that 50% and with perfectly normal test results based on the labs ranges you would still need medication!
I went down the same route as you as far as symptoms (minus weight issues) with Cami. Perfectly normal testing numbers until I requested a complete test which included a TgAA. Finally hit on that she had thyroiditis (precursor to hypothyroidism). Treatment started and within 24 hours a noticeable change was seen. Chronic staph infection needing constant treatment (pustles) went away for starters.
If you don't have a copy of the results get your hands on it and post it. I'll show you the formula (or you can do a search here on BW). It has been posted many times.
 

araine

Boxer Pal
Do you have a copy of the results. I'd bet a months salary that you are dealing with a thyroid issue. BOXERS ARE DIFFERENT when it comes to thyroid issues (testing numbers).
They can test within normal limits but still need and benefit from supplementation.
Weight issues, hair loss, allergy symptoms, skin infections.....classic Boxer thyroid symptoms.
If you have the test result numbers there is a formula you can use to gauge a 50% range. Over that range would be a non-thyroid issue. Under that 50% and with perfectly normal test results based on the labs ranges you would still need medication!
I went down the same route as you as far as symptoms (minus weight issues) with Cami. Perfectly normal testing numbers until I requested a complete test which included a TgAA. Finally hit on that she had thyroiditis (precursor to hypothyroidism). Treatment started and within 24 hours a noticeable change was seen. Chronic staph infection needing constant treatment (pustles) went away for starters.
If you don't have a copy of the results get your hands on it and post it. I'll show you the formula (or you can do a search here on BW). It has been posted many times.

We did discuss this with our vet, but she felt that the 'weight issues' was not part of Harley's allergy issues, only because we knew that she gained weight because of the italian food she was eating, and just a change of diet and actual excersize she lost the weight in less then 3 months to her normal breed standard of weight.

She vet said that if her weight would have just stayed there, or was slow, then there would be more of a concern but not so much since the weight is off and has stayed off. And honestly, to make it better, it required little effort for me to get her to lose weight. All I did was chuck the ball, let her swim, and take her for mile walks on an everyday basis which is normal for me.

I will see if I can get my hands on those results. Thanks!
 

cantfindlog

Completely Boxer Crazy
Susi-thanks for posting about the thyroid. You know about this far more than I do along with several other members here who insisted upon a full panel and found problems.

Amber- If you find anything thyroid related, post it and Susi will help you with the numbers, along with several other members, I'm sure.

Vets and thyroid testing seems to be an issue through out the US. So many of us get the same answer from the vets that it doens't need to be done or if it is done they seem like they don't want a full panel done. You'd think with so many BW members from all over the US and the world that just once someone would post that his or her vet said run a full panel would be amazing. I think I'd fall off my chair.

You've certainly have done an amazing job with Harley. I think with out you she would have suffered being so over weight. The three month weight loss is amazing.

I see you mentioned Natural Balance dog food. Leah is feed this along with some can food and she has done well on it.

Hope you have continued success with getting the feet better. With Leah I think she also had developed a habit of chewing. I'm able to spend alot of time with her and I say "No Feet" when she goes for them. It really is rare now to see her chew her feet. If I do see a problem developing I go for the chlorhexidine pads that I have and wipe her toes and then cover her feet for a while until she forgets about it and that takes care of any issues.
 
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