$800.00?????whoh!!!!!

[dlcenters]

i hate byb!!!!!!! they re....... !@$#@^^*&^*!#!$#!@%# !!!!
however, i love any puppy, any dog, any animal.....
so i dont support back yard breeders but i support those puppies because im always afraid that they will end up strays..... though, good bred puppies are so unlikely to end up strays.

I understand your feelings completely...I love them all too, well bred or not...I understand the opinions on BYB and the fact that getting a puppy from them only promotes them to do it again because they know they will make more money...BUT...BYB babies are babies that need love just the same as a well bred puppy...it's not the puppies' fault they are what they are. I look at it as a kind of "rescue"...if I don't give them a good home, God only knows where they might end up...
FYI, there were 2 ads in the local paper last week for 6 week old full-blooded boxer pups-1 was @ $150, the other @ $175...I wonder how many of them will end up in the pound 6 months from now...:( Then they become the "rescues" instead of the BYB puppies-so what's the difference whether you give them a good home from the start, or let some idiot get ahold of them first, ruin them, and then throw them away only to be rescued (hopefully) again? At least you have a better chance of them being a good dog from the get go as a new puppy than trying to fix someone else's screw ups. I would guess about 95% or better of the dogs that make it into rescue were BYB pups in the beginning.

 

[courtney323]

Umm. The difference is quite clear -- you are giving money to and financially supporting these unethical backyard breeders. For every puppy you think you "save", you have just created demand for another litter.

I would guess about 95% or better of the dogs that make it into rescue were BYB pups in the beginning.

Actually, virtually 100% of them are. This is because responsible breeders will always take one of their pups back (and stipulate it in the contract).

What will happen if a BYB can't sell their litter (ie. people stop giving them money)? They would be forced to give them away, or they would most logically go to rescue. Either way, the "breeder" will not have any incentive to do this again (thus stopping the cycle). Which alternative would you rather have?

 

[courtney323]

FYI, there were 2 ads in the local paper last week for 6 week old full-blooded boxer pups-1 was @ $150, the other @ $175...I wonder how many of them will end up in the pound 6 months from now... Then they become the "rescues" instead of the BYB puppies-so what's the difference whether you give them a good home from the start, or let some idiot get ahold of them first, ruin them, and then throw them away only to be rescued (hopefully) again? At least you have a better chance of them being a good dog from the get go as a new puppy than trying to fix someone else's screw ups.

So then, you advocate everyone go out and buy a puppy from a newspaper? How many are you willing to 'save' and bring into your home? I might add that you just created another litter for every puppy you purchase. The cycle will never end, in this case. And, this is only one facet of the issue (you also have health issues, temperament issues, etc..)

I want to point out that it's not as though we don't love puppies or wish we could save every puppy from a bad situation. It's quite the opposite actually -- those of us against supporting BYB's truly love Boxers (and all dogs) and aim to put an end to this horrible situation. The only way to put an end to this situation is to stop putting money into their pockets -- period.

 

[LuvMyPuppy]

My friend told me before we got our puppy, research for a good breeder & spend the $800+ for the pup...if you don't you might end up spending a lot more than that once it's older on health bills. With our next puppy we are definitely taking that advice!

 

[hanley]

Do your research before buying

I agree with not buying from a back yard breeder, I can't stand the thoughts of any animal being bred for money,but check out all of the shelters & rescues first. You may find the perfect well bred dog there, just because they have high prices on some puppies doesn't mean they are well bred dogs.Check out the owners background as well as the dogs.A good breeder hardly ever makes money off a litter of pups,they only hope to break even. Their main concern is bettering the breed & producing quality dogs.So I don't think a good breeder will charge you more than they have invested.Hanley

 

[Keeroff]

2 points of view

i believe there are 2 points of view in this matter. and they are both acceptable and logical. though, there are also byb that that dont do it for the money. i guess they are definately low-informed and they think that females need to have babies and that males need to breed.

however, most of them definately do it for the money. but when they see how difficult it is to raise the puppies before the adoptions, they change the prices and they give them away TOO SOON!!!!!!!

i saw a byb whose puppies where soooooo skinny as if they werent fed at all or something... i saw a byb that hadnt even care to have them cropped the tails!!!!!!! it is so sad......

:(

 

[dlcenters]

So then, you advocate everyone go out and buy a puppy from a newspaper? How many are you willing to 'save' and bring into your home? I might add that you just created another litter for every puppy you purchase. The cycle will never end, in this case. And, this is only one facet of the issue (you also have health issues, temperament issues, etc..)

I'm not advocating anything...my point is that these puppies need rescued every bit as much as the more mature shelter/rescue dogs. If I purchase one of them, I know that is one link in the chain broken-one dog that will not go on to breed any further. Whether 6 weeks old, 6 months old, or 6 years old, a rescue is a rescue.
BYB will ALWAYS be here. For every one of them that you can educate, there are a hundred more that can't wait to breed to make some extra money. They are motivated by supply and demand. They are supplying a product for which there is a great demand-affordable, full-bred (I didn't say well-bred) dogs. I for one cannot afford $1000 or better for a dog and then still put proper vet care in it too, and I know very few people that can or will invest this kind of money in a pet. Does that mean I shouldn't be able to have a family pet? Should only the very affluent be allowed to have pets? It's the same principle as WalMart supplying affordable products to those who can't afford to shop at Bloomingdale's.
Another problem with trying to stop BYB-it's cheaper (in fact profitable) to breed than it is to get the dogs altered-vet costs are outrageous esp. when alot of BYB can't even afford their own health care much less care for their animals...poverty breeds poverty...fact of life...the only way most of these BYB will do anything about getting their animals altered is if someone paid them to get it done or at the very least, it was free.
Here's an idea...for those who can afford $1000 or more for a dog...spend the estimated $75 to $300 to help a rescue/shelter dog and then donate the rest of that money to a spay/neuter clinic-enough to get 10 or more dogs altered. Now you've taken 10 links out of the chain instead of just one.
In the end, there will ALWAYS be BYB because there will ALWAYS be a demand for the product they supply. The best we can do is to educate them as to why not to continue their practices, and at the same time try to help the puppies that they produce.

 

[Keeroff]

i agree on that one

i agree with dlcenters.
byb will always be here....
and not rescueing one of the byb puppies doesnt change things.....
i took keeroff knowing that he will definately NOT end up as a stray....
no matter what health issues will appear... no matter what the cost will be for them. and yes, a lot of people cannot afford to buy a puppy of 800+
but most of them deserve to have this company, this new relative, this BEST friend...

 

[courtney323]

If I purchase one of them, I know that is one link in the chain broken-one dog that will not go on to breed any further. Whether 6 weeks old, 6 months old, or 6 years old, a rescue is a rescue.

I'm sorry -- that simply is not true. What about the new litter of pups you just created?

BYBs will always be inexistence so long as there are people like you who see nothing wrong with lining their pockets. You can justify it as 'rescuing' a pup, which it isn't (or any way you like), but you are still paying an unethical person for creating a dog that falls way outside the Boxer standard -- and they will just do it again and again -- so long as there are people willing to buy.

I think rescue is a great idea, by the way. That is how I have acquired all of my Boxers.

 

[boxer]

There is absolutely no comparison between rescuing a needy dog and buying from a backyard breeder. Yes, it's probably the same dog - but look where the money goes. If you purchase a puppy (don't call it rescuing - it isn't, it's purchasing) from that unethical person down the street who has turned their pet into a breeding machine, you contribute to the profit they make from their unfortunate bitch. And contribute directly to their decision to do it again, and tell all their friends what a nice profit can be made from using their bitch that way. Nice.

When you get a dog from a rescue or a shelter, conversely, that unethical person doesn't get one red cent from you. You don't contribute to their decision to do it again, or to promote their money making activity. You give a needy dog a home though.

Try to justify it any way you like - but the bottom line is that as long as there are people willing to look the other way and buy from these unscupulous people, they'll keep on breeding. And keep on destroying dog breeds with their unethical breeding practices. When was the last time you saw a BYB take the time (or spend their profit on) to test for genetically inheritable diseases before breeding their dogs? They don't - that's a surprise left for the unfortunate new owner.

If EVERYONE took on that responsibility, and refused to buy from these people - then puppy mills and BYBs would disappear. But as long as there are people like you out there who're willing to support them financially, the next unfortunate litter will continue to be bred. Harsh, maybe - but that's the reality.