$800.00?????whoh!!!!!
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sidhewlf said:
I dont agree with the byb theory, we got our boxer from a lady that had a dam and aonther lady had the sire and they both were ckc, all shots and tests done to ensure health was good, we paid 400.00 for a flashy brindle male, the price can also affect the area in which you live in also as with anything else. He may not have the championship bloodline but he is a great looking boxer and is going to be a very big dog like his dad is. I would be very worried if when we first met the owners if the house was messy and looked like they were just after money but they werent. Should'nt just judge on price but how the owners carry themselves and if they had the dogs vet checked and have records of doing so. Just my 2 cents
Well, you may not agree with it... but did you buy your dog from someone responsible enough to be screening their breeding stock for the genetically inherited health conditions common to boxers? Were both parents screened for the (devastating) heart conditions of cardiomyopathy and aortic stenosis? If not, your "good looking" pup is at higher risk of dropping dead suddenly at an early age (and it's not a small risk either - some experts estimate that around 60% of boxers in North America are affected, there is no such thing as a line that is miraculously unaffected). Did they screen for hip dysplasia? If not, your pup may well end up crippled with arthritis. Being aware of, and paying the money to properly screen all breeding dogs for those genetic conditions are the bare minimum for responsibly breeding boxers. Or put another way, if breeders don't screen their breeding stock for those conditions, they're worse than irresponsible, they're playing russian roulette on behalf of the unsuspecting new owners. People who're going to endure the heartbreak of their dog suddenly dropping dead, or having to shell out the thousands of dollars for hip replacement surgeries. All for things that could have (and should have) been prevented by breeders being responsible in the first place.
Here are a couple of links you might find interesting (and possibly even change your mind about the "nice people" who irresponsibly breed their pets): www.boxerworld.com/health_testing
http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76541
Prices certainly vary from region to region, and country to country. And the amount you pay is not an indicator of the quality of the dog. But it is *very* important that the breeder you choose is breeding responsibly. Those who choose not to (and it is certainly by choice) are just doing damage to the breed. That's how these genetic conditions got to be so prevalent in the first place.
Here are a couple of links you might find interesting (and possibly even change your mind about the "nice people" who irresponsibly breed their pets): www.boxerworld.com/health_testing
http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76541
Prices certainly vary from region to region, and country to country. And the amount you pay is not an indicator of the quality of the dog. But it is *very* important that the breeder you choose is breeding responsibly. Those who choose not to (and it is certainly by choice) are just doing damage to the breed. That's how these genetic conditions got to be so prevalent in the first place.
We will be getting his hips checked ourselves, my mother-in-law had a female boxer and hers came around at 9 years old and she put her down when she turned 13 and could'nt see her suffer anymore. I can understand the health issues totally, but to say that you should only get a animal if all the loops have been met is wrong. Sure if i find out that mine has anything that could be passed on i would not breed him for as some would say he is not worth anything, and they couldnt get high price dollar for his off spring. Either way i'm very happy with the owners for knowing so much about the boxer bredd as i had many questions. Most breeders want you to sign a contract even if they have done all the testing to make sure you never become a breeder, yea its good to make sure the buyer is going to provide a good home. But it seems to me that they just want to be the only breeders in the area. I may be wrong but that is what i have noticed. If i sounded rude in anyway that is not what i meant.
Mmmm. That's good, and it may give you some peace of mind in a couple of years time when he's old enough to have the x-rays done, and the ability to make some lifestyle changes if dysplasia is apparent. But the thing is, it isn't the puppy that needs his hips checked. It's too late by then. He has either inherited the defect from his parents or he hasn't. And you're the one who has to deal with the outcome, whatever it is.bremle said:
In breeding dogs, it is the parents - the dogs actually being bred - that need to be be x-rayed and cleared of abnormal hip joints. Before they're bred, obviously. This is a genetically inherited defect, and the point of screening is to eliminate from the breeding pool any dogs who carry and will pass the defect to any offspring. If it happens that the parents of your puppy have dysplastic hips, then your puppy will probably have dysplasia too. And there's nothing you can do about that. There was something the breeder could have done though. And that was to screen her breeding stock before using them for breeding. Instead of breeding a litter that may be condemned to a life of pain, and passing the buck to the new owners who're going to have to deal with it (and pay for any surgery required). Heck, it's not as though a simple hip x-ray costs the earth! But it's about being responsible or not being.
And in the final event, this is just like the decision whether or not to buy from puppy mills. If you buy from a puppy mill, your money and the demand you're a part of will cause the next unfortunate litter to be produced. Well, it's the same with irresponsible breeding. If you buy puppies from people who're too cheap/lazy/ignorant/irresponsible to bother screening for genetic disorders, then they'll keep on breeding that way. Because it is profitable. Best way to stop it is to refuse to buy. Give your money to the people who care enough about the breed (and you as the new owner) to be responsible enough to screen for genetic defects first. Then *those* people will continue breeding.
CKC as in Canadian kennel club, or CKC as in continental? One is the national registry of Canada, the other is a registry used by BYBs, Mills, and others who're banned or ineligible to register with the AKC.
Irrespective, registration means nothing more than that the dogs named as the parents of a puppy are themselves registered (that's if we're talking AKC or Canaidan KC - the continental KC has no such requirement). Registration with *any* body is no indicator of quality, it is not even a guarantee that the dog is purebred (because registration is an honour system - nobody actually checks).
Registration is also irrelevant when we're actually talking about screening for genetic disease
Unfortunately it is not a requirement for registration that litters are responsibly bred.
Irrespective, registration means nothing more than that the dogs named as the parents of a puppy are themselves registered (that's if we're talking AKC or Canaidan KC - the continental KC has no such requirement). Registration with *any* body is no indicator of quality, it is not even a guarantee that the dog is purebred (because registration is an honour system - nobody actually checks).
Registration is also irrelevant when we're actually talking about screening for genetic disease
Unfortunately it is not a requirement for registration that litters are responsibly bred.
Donna1969
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bremle said:
Just because its their first littler does not mean they won't turn into a puppy mill. (Not saying that they WILL but just because its the 1st litter doesn't mean that it won't be the first of hundreds) May not be a "puppy mill" but it doesn't make them reputable and responsible breeders either.
Guess what..my Blizzard was AKC registered, I had her pedigree going back more than 5 generations AND she had "champion" bloodlines..and still..she was bred by a Back yard Breeder (they truly loved their female and the pups were all treated well but they were ignorant breeders who never did any health testing on the dam or sire) . Papers and pedigrees do not make a healthy pup! Lucky for me, Blizzy was very healthy and didn't come with any of the conditions that could have ended her life early or made her life full of pain.
Dutchess1104
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Dutchess cost us $750. from a good breeder in our immediate area and she was worth every penny. She came with all the necessary akc paper and documentation of all her shots up to that date. The breeder really cared about her pups and just about had her house trained with the command go potty she is just 13 weeks old and scratches at the back door already, we got her when she was 8 weeks old. I did make some calls and some breeders wanted up to 1200. and then you had to allow them to get at least one litter from them which I did not like at all.
Dutchess cost us $750. from a good breeder in our immediate area and she was worth every penny. She came with all the necessary akc paper and documentation of all her shots up to that date. The breeder really cared about her pups and just about had her house trained with the command go potty she is just 13 weeks old and scratches at the back door already, we got her when she was 8 weeks old. I did make some calls and some breeders wanted up to 1200. and then you had to allow them to get at least one litter from them which I did not like at all.
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