13 week old male aggression...

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lirpa23

Boxer Booster
I'll start by saying that my 13 week old boy has been with my family for a little over one week. He has settled in nicely and has shown the BEST temperament. He is a total spoiled cuddle bunny and had never shown aggression toward any of us. When we went last week to pick him out of the litter, my husband lied him on his back and the little guy struggled for maybe 2 seconds and then totally gave up and relaxed like he didn't have a care in the world. Since coming home he loves to be held like a baby or sitting on a lap, but he also doesn't seem too clingy either. He has become more independent, and will now play on his own and go in his crate willingly throughout the day. He loves everyone and seems so laid back and docile.

Well, tonight was his first puppy kindergarden class and I was very excited to get him in and show him off, especially since I have been training him at home and he is already doing some basic commands. He is very smart and trainable. The most important part of the class to me was surrounding him with other people and animals and getting him the proper socialization. When I got there he immediately loved all the smells and noises, and went around the room wagging his whole butt, very anxious to play with all the pups, to the point he was actually whining. However, I was disapointed to see that it was a fairly small class and 90% of the other pups were all toy sized. He was jumping around crazy and ready to play, like any boxer, and I held him on the leash and wouldn't let him play with the little ones because I felt he could accidentally hurt them. I was hoping some bigger dogs would come in, and finally 2 huge dogs came in. One was a huge standard size poodle. I really thought this dog might be too large for him to play with and the woman that brought him didn't seem very interested in talking to anyone else or socializing her dog. Finally, a seven month old giant schnauzer came in, weighing in at 35 pounds. Of course, I'm a new mommy and was reluctant to let Rocko play with him either because I didn't know this dog's temperament. After a while of talking to the schnauzer's owner and getting to know the dog, I let Rocko do some boxer pouncing on him. The schnauzer seemed good natured about it. However, my calm and docile 17 lb. Rocko surprised me. He was wagging his tail at first and seemed like he wanted to play. But as soon as he got on the big dog he started showing signs of dominance and aggression. I'm not sure if he was playing anymore. He got snippy and started lunging and biting, which seemed like play. But then he began standing directly over the dog on all fours with his feet spread out and growling and even looked like he was trying to hump this dog a couple of times. Finally, Rocko got out of hand with the growling and lunging to the point that I had to literally pull him off of this huge dog and scold him. A few minutes later I let the two play again and Rocko's body language still seemed to be very dominant and aggressive.

We have class again next Tuesday and I know now that Rocko really needs it. Should I worry about aggression issues? What can I do that will help? I want Rocko to learn on his own through experience, but I'm afraid that if he keeps this up that the bigger dog will eventually put a stop to it and little Rocko will get hurt.
 

JaredKyah

Boxer Booster
But then he began standing directly over the dog on all fours with his feet spread out and growling and even looked like he was trying to hump this dog a couple of times.

LOL, Remy was put in time out by the trainer for doing just that.

From what I have read on BW, pups at that age are not really old enough to exhibit true dominant behavior, they are only practicing. Also, as you probably know, boxer puppies can be very vocal when they play. As the weeks went on Remy would always act this way towards this one particular dog, although each week, there was more play between the two and less "rough play". The last week of class Remy and the other dog were running around together with the other dogs (all were playing nicely).
What did your trainer say? Our dogs were only let off lead at the end of class and the trainer (as well as the owners) kept a watchful eye.
I wouldn't worry too much about Rocko, it sounds like he was just very excited to play, and I think the more exposure he has to other dogs, the better he will be at playing aproprriately.
 

lirpa23

Boxer Booster
dominance..

Thanks for replying. The only problem I have with this class is that I feel there is no puppy play time at all, which is why I joined in the first place.:(
All of those dogs are so tiny and the owners never seemed interested in letting them play with my little rough houser. I honestly was afraid to let Rocko at them, so I thought it was polite for me to simply say out loud "no, Rocko, her owner doesn't want you to pounce on her like that," and then simply guage the owner's response, which was usually ignoring us. No one let their dog off of the lead during the entire class and no puppies played. I feel as if this is a crucial part of the puppy's socialization, so I am hoping we will have play time next week, although Rocko may have to play with the bigger boys and I will have to be the one worrying about him getting a little roughed up.
 

JaredKyah

Boxer Booster
It can't hurt to talk to the trainer and express your concerns. Ask if there will be playtime, and if so, will the trainer be the one to decide if the play is too rough?
BTW, some of those little dogs are quite able to keep up with a boxer at play. Maybe you could look into a different type of class, possibly one that has a socialization component? I do agree with you that socialization is an important part of "puppyhood" and should be an integral part of the class.
 

ELubas

Boxer Insane
Your boy sounds like my girl. She started out that way and she is now 7 mos and is still that way. Quite frankly she is a very alpha dog and I believe she always will be. You are right to seek the playtime as that is the only way you will know, in a safe environment, what Rocko is up to. At this point my girl has her buddies-part of a walking group-and does great with all of them with no issues. She does , however, still display dominance/aggresssion with strange dogs. I am very cautious, while not isolating her and at this point it seems to be mainly submissive dogs-but she definetely has to be watched. Has never bitten but was bitten herself once already. I do obedience with her every week (she does great and no problems in class), and continue to socialize her but she is who she is and I think her personlity is "fixed" so to speak. Not to say she does not have a great life but i am cautious to be sure she does not go to far. A lot of it is rough boxer play but I find she crosses the line too readily. Just my experience...
 

PMFLAR

Boxer Pal
My Pup Has Been In Day Care 3x A Week, He Is Put In With The Big Dogs Because He Is A Boxer And They Do Play Hard And Rough. There Is 20-30 Dogs In A Big Ac Room, An Adult Boxer A Rot And Bull Dogs And So On. You Should See If There Are Any Good Day Cares In Your Area And Send Your Pup At Least 1 Day A Week For A While. We Just Graduated Puppy Kindergarten At The Same Place, Class Was At Night So On Class Days He Was All Ready There. A Good Day Care Will Have Constant Supervision And Will Even Help With Training.
 

shdycrkrnch

Boxer Pal
Puppy aggression

I have a 15 week old boxer pup who has also exhibited some of the behaviors you have mentioned. I do not have him in a puppy class because I have 4 other dogs and he gets plenty of socialization from them and from attending the local dog park. I am lucky enough to have a female boxer who regularly puts him in his place. Lacking that, I would make sure he gets lots of interaction time with other dogs. If you have a friend with an older adult dog that will not hurt him, let him be reprimanded by the adult a few times and he will get the message.
 
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