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Showing Expenses

Discussion in 'Showing - questions and answers' started by frankied, Jul 6, 2004.

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  1. HarleyMama

    HarleyMama BANNED

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    I love the technical term "thingie" as I use it often and only other females seem to know what I'm referring to when I use it in a sentence. My hubby on the otherhand looks at me as if I'm speaking another language.


    Back to the thread...

    Thanks so much for listing the detailed info. I love learning more and more of the nity grity of the Boxer show world. I cant wait to aquire my first show boxer (am actually attending a show Aug. 21st to scope out possible breeders). However, realistically I probably wont really get into showing for the next 5-10 years (hopefully the former) as I'm only 20 and have a 13month old daughter, husband, and 6month old furson.

    Melissa
     
  2. frankied

    frankied Boxer Insane

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    So how is it that you go about grinding the nails? Off topic a bit but I had never heard about this. I already have a dremel and now you have peaked my curiosity!

    Christa :D
     
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    Thanks Julie M! :D

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  5. Faughtey

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    Another thing to consider... Most dogs will not finish as puppies. If you wait until the handler deems the dog "ready", you won't be paying entry fee's for a dog that is not mature enough to win. :)
     
  6. beanieh

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    Does this mean that you don't really recommend owner-handling? I've got a secret (from my DH, anyway) dream of finishing my own dog. I can't show Bongo in conformation, but I'm looking ahead and would love to add another puppy to our family in the next year or two. But this time, I would like a show puppy. Our local kennel club holds conformation classes as well as obedience, CGC, and agility. If I am realistic about the time it takes to finish a champion, couldn't I still hope to handle my own dog? Someday, when my skin-kids are out of the house I would love to sort of "apprentice" myself to a breeder and begin my own program, but that's WAY in the future.

    Please tell me it's possible to do this!!!!

    Thanks!
    Eve & Bongo
     
  7. PawPrintBoxers

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    Recommend is a good term to use. It depends on your goals and your experience. With no experience, if your main goal is to try it out, have a good time, enjoy your dog and keep a VERY strong sense of good sportsmanship about you, then owner handling is fine. I have done it. I have also done quite a bit of winning. But.........because of my experience on both sides of the fence is why I can honestly offer my viewpoint.

    I have seen too many people enter the show ring with love in their heart and quickly turn bitter. The main reason is they did not win. Suddenly they stop looking at their beloved pet with the same rosy colored glasses and now are picking the poor dear apart. Or they get bitter because a professional with a dog beat them and their dog in the ring. Never realizing they just did not present their dog as nicely as the professional did.

    Professionals were all owner handlers at some point. They had a certain love of the shows and found they had a certain knack for handling. They spend a minimum of 10 years apprenticing before they can be a Professional Handler. Just as any of you is good at whatever work you have done for years, so too is a professional handler.

    I still owner handle my dogs on occasion. But I honestly enjoy working with my handler and seeing my dogs presently at their very best every single time. I am still the one training the dog, conditioning the dog and loving the dog. They simply make them sparkle :)



    Christina Ghimenti
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  8. beanieh

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    Thank you, Christina, for stating it so clearly for me. I guess I was thinking that, when professional handlers are used, the dog is kind of given up for a time while it is being shown. I suppose it depends on where your handler is located, and whether they transport the dog to the shows or if you take care of it yourself.

    So, does it work for the owner to keep the dog at home and then turn him/her over to the handler just for the shows? Or does the pup need to spend more time living with the handler to be successful?

    As always, I appreciate all that I learn here on Boxerworld.

    Eve & Bongo
     
  9. PawPrintBoxers

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    It all depends on the dog and the owner. Some dogs train easier and are natural show dogs. Such a dog requires less bonding time with the handlers and less training time with them as well. Some owners are fabulous at conditioning and grooming their own dogs. Such dogs require less work from their handler. And some owners will drive their dog to every single show regardless of distance and so the handler is not required to travel the dog.

    This is the description of my first 2 Champions. Booker T and Rocky never traveled with their handlers. I traveled to every single show and either owner handled them or had my handler show them. This was a hobby I was enjoying giving 100% of my time towards. Since I had a flexible job and no kids, I could give that time to the dogs.

    Now, not every show person can fill this bill. Not every exhibitor wants to condition and train their dog. Some simply cannot. Keeping their weight just right, exercising regular and coat maintenance are not easy for some people. Dare I mention keeping the nails extra short? Some exhibitors can do very local shows but have family committment that keep them from doing anything over night or a long distance away. Some have jobs that don't allow for the flexibility. Some can't train their dogs to SIT let alone Stand for examine and move well on a lead.

    Even with the best training, it sometimes is better to let your dog go to "Camp". That is what I call it when my kids stay with their handler. They enjoy it actually. Other doggies to play with and interesting new smells. And in the grand scheme of things, every new experience you give your Boxer is a good thing. They are so smart and their brains are just sponges, soaking up everything you can throw at them.


    Christina Ghimenti
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  10. GoCougs

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    To go back to what Faughtey said:

    I owner-handle....while they are puppies. I have been handling dogs in various breeds, as an owner-handler, for close to 8 years. As an owner-handler in the boxer ring I get approached quite often by those new to the breed/conformational showing asking what my recommendation is. I tell them I handle because I enjoy it greatly and I have been handling dogs since I was a Jr. Handler. I wouldn't enjoy showing as much if I was just pouring money into it to see my dog win. That's not fun for me. However, I am also a realist. The boxer ring is very competitive, and it takes a superb exhibitor (read: handler) to put points on a dog. Therefore I owner-handle my puppies until they graduate to open class. Reason being, as Faughtey said, there aren't many judges who will put up puppies anyway, so I'm of the opinion that paying for a handler for your puppy is a waste of money. Some judges will give Reserves, most won't even give the puppies a look in winners. So, in order to get the most out of showing, I can improve my handling skills by continuing to handle my dogs while they are young, while also giving my youngins' the ring experience they need. After 18 months, I hand my dog off to my handler. I honestly recommend that everyone handle their dog at least once, so that you fully understand what you are/aren't paying for and to experience the stress/excitment/frustration involved for both handler and dog.
     
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