Should I try grainless?

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ZOE*BOXER

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As many of you know, poor Catalina has had the runs constantly since we got her in August. The previous owners let her hookworms get so bad that she was passing straight blood whwn we got her. She has been wormed three times now since August, has been on several antibiodics and anti imflamatorries and two different perscription Science Diets as per the vet, the I/D and Ultra Z/D However she still has the runs. The vet put her on the Ultra ZD because he was trying to eliminate a food allergy. She is now being swapped back to the I/D because the vet feels her digestive system is quite irritated now. I am wondering if the grains are irritting her, if may months be I should try some Innova EVO. I have not tried it yet because she is only old and I have been trying to strictly follow the vet's instructions. As I posted in the health forum, we have been trying so much. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. :)
 

kayboxer

Boxer Insane
How old is she? If she is younger than a year, there are other grainless foods out there that are not as high in protein and that are "all life stages". Most of the fish and potato grainless foods aren't as high in protein. That is what I feed both my boxers. I use Timberwolf Ocean Fish formula for my adult and my puppy. They absolutely love it. My oldest has a grain intolerance and she does beautifully on it. If you cannot get it there or don't want to order it, try another quality fish and potato food. :)

BTW, the Bison formula in Timberwolf looks pretty good to. I'm going to use that to rotate with.
 

ZOE*BOXER

Boxer Insane
How old is she? If she is younger than a year, there are other grainless foods out there that are not as high in protein and that are "all life stages". Most of the fish and potato grainless foods aren't as high in protein. That is what I feed both my boxers. I use Timberwolf Ocean Fish formula for my adult and my puppy. They absolutely love it. My oldest has a grain intolerance and she does beautifully on it. If you cannot get it there or don't want to order it, try another quality fish and potato food. :)

BTW, the Bison formula in Timberwolf looks pretty good to. I'm going to use that to rotate with.

She made 8 months on the 11th. What brand are you feeding yours? I am actually wondering id she may have a grain allergy.
 

kayboxer

Boxer Insane
I feed mine Timberwolf. That is the name of the brand of food. They have several varieties, but the two that I have found that have the lowest protein is the Ocean Blue and the Dakota Bison formulas. They are grain free. I order mine because I cannot get it in my town. If you order from the Timberwolf website it is free shipping I believe. There are also other pet supply companies that offer free shipping also I believe. My oldest had the runs all the time, eye goop all the time, flakey and itchy skin and paws. She has none of those now on Timberwolf. Well, maybe some eye goop once in a blue moon. :)
 

dafzichu

Completely Boxer Crazy
When we were looking for a grainless food for Brutis, we decided on Natural Balance Potato and Duck. They also make Sweet Potato and Fish. I have heard others feeding these for allergies, not necessarily grain allergies though.

I know you have three, but would you consider homecooking or raw so you had greater control over what she was eating? Just a thought.
 

ZOE*BOXER

Boxer Insane
I have been toying with the idea of homecooking. At this point with Catalina, I am willing to do whatever necessary. It is just driving me nuts shelling out all this money on the Science Diet Ultra ZD and ID when it is not a good food. I do not mind spending the money if I get something of quality. ;)
 

gmacleod

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I read one of your other threads discussing your vet's thoughts about food allergies (rice in particular) and a wish to remain on the Z/D to determine the allergy possibility.

If I hadn't read that first - I'd be suggesting to you that (a) you should ditch the Z/D; (b) you should ditch kibble in entirety; and (c) that a raw diet that included no grains whatsoever would be a far better idea - but if not possible or acceptable to you, then a homecooked diet that likewise excluded grains (and, initially, vegetables or fruit) would be the next best thing.

However - you are in the position where your vet is trying something else. I guess you have to make the decision about how long you stick with it before deciding that it is or isn't working. IF you get to the point that you are sure that you're getting nowhere with the Z/D - then what I suggested above is the advice I'd give then ;)

Colitis is quite a common problem with boxers - and it's often ulcerative colitis with this breed. Those dogs just don't tolerate processed foods, dehydrated foods, or grains. Kibble is strongly all three, and most colitis sufferers will never tolerate that sort of diet. A few may improve on a grainless kibble diet, but the majority simply cannot tolerate kibble - period. And for many of those dogs, a raw natural diet actually is the magic bullet. LOL - there are very few health situations for which magic bullets exist, including raw diets. But with colitis - many times that's the case.

Anyway - whether or not you want to consider raw is really up to you (and you might choose to stick with your vet's regime a while longer too). But if you reach a point where you want to consider it - the raw forum is there to help :) And if you prefer to go homecooked - I really would stress that if it's colitis, grains are highly unlikely to be tolerated and vegetables are likewise risky. So it would make more sense to head in the homecooked-but-grainless direction should you look into homecooking to try to help her.
 

ZOE*BOXER

Boxer Insane
Okay, so now as I had posted in the other section, Catalina took a turn for the worse again. :( The vet has given me the option of the I/D again of cooking her rice, ground meat and eggs. I am doing the cooking option, but using potatoes instead of rice. I thought the potatoes would be better because I have seen it mentioned many times here that they are more easily digested. Are the potatoes okay to substitute for the rice considering her situation at the current time? Thanks again. :o
 

gmacleod

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Yes, well cooked potatoes should be a pretty good substitute for rice (in some cases it's better). Both are bland foods, which is pretty much what you're after here.
 

ZOE*BOXER

Boxer Insane
Well, I have been consistent with the potatoes, eggs and ground meat. I was making lean ground beef but the last two time only 82/20 was available so she has been on ground turkey for the last week. She has lost two pounds in the last two weeks. I know whatever her illness is, it is not helping, but I would like to know what I can do to help her. I know this sounds off the wall, but would Ensure help her? I am so lost. She is 9 months now and only 35 pounds. Every bone seems to stick out. The vet told me to return her to Science Diet Id or Ultra ZD. I have yet to do that because it is junk in my opinion. She was doing well for a few days on Innova EVO, but eventually took a turn for the worse. I suspect her worms returning did not help. She is on a powder medicine, Viokase to help with digestion and a pill, Sulfasalazine to help stop bleeding in the back of her digestive system. If anyone has any suggestions I am open to them and very appreciative.
 
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