Sending dogs out of State

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spiritfinder

Boxer Buddy
I am not sure if this is the best spot but I needed another opinion. I was looking at a Boxer that I wanted to get. I contacted the owners who said they still had him. He is a 2.5 year old brindle male cropped and docked, microchipped, unaltered, and has papers. They only wanted 250 for this beautiful dog. They mentioned that there was somone already interested in the dog and were strongly considering them. This new home would be in ND. Now this bothered me emensly. For a few reasons. One they have no way if verifying the new home conditions and even really meeting the new owners. Plus the trip over there alone. Now I feel they would have no problem finding a home right here in Washington state. One they would be sure was a good match for there dog. I understand that breeders have sent dogs out of state but this is a family pet not a breeder. Any opinions?? Or am I just being over sensitive? Any comments would be helpful. I am proabably not going to get him it sounded as if they had already made up there mind on this other person. Best to all, Tanya

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Steele brindle male - Over the bridge 10/99
Kalua fawn female born 6/95
 

tedjax

Completely Boxer Crazy
I tend to agree with you. I think they should consider a local adoption before sending the dog to who knows what kind of condition...When I adopted Beauty, the rescue person drove her from New Orleans personally to inspect our house, yard, etc. I offered to go to N.O. to pick her up, but she said she had to do a home visit. I guess rescue is different than someone just "ridding" themself of an unwanted pet. I would keep after them until I knew the dog was gone. You never know, they might change their mind. Good luck and let us know.

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Trish
Indy-Neutered, Natural, Fawn, Flashy-10/6/98
Beauty-Spayed,Cropped, Fawn, Black Mask-9/20/94; Adopted from rescue in New Orleans
Shiloh-10/18/85 to 10/14/98; Waiting for me at the Bridge
 

Amy Lyn

Super Boxer
I would agree with you also. My best advice would be to bring this point up to her. Tell her that she could visit your home to see if it is suitable versus not knowing a thing about the home in ND. Make her feel as if choosing you, closer to home, would be a wiser choice, but say it in a way that is caring and not demeaning.

Bottom line is, it's their dog and they may feel more comfortable with this other person and there may be nothing you can say to change their minds. If it were me though, I'd sure try and do it fast!

Good luck.

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Amy Lyn
Wagner (Fawn, black mask) b: 04/25/00
Clark (Fawn, black mask) b: 03-11-99 (Rainbow Bridge 05-06-00)
 

Lisa M

Completely Boxer Crazy
I understand your frustration, but there is another point of view that I'd like to share with you as well.

After I adopted Klee (we all know that story) I felt really uncomforatble with the rescue down here because they seemed hesitant to doubt Arlene's motives or to remove her from thier volunteer list. Next they wanted references from my neighbors after Arlene spread rumors about our other dog, etc. I felt really awkward about this because I'd already gone through the adoption process, Arlene had visited my home, and had adopted a dog to us. (I did provide references just so that the rescue would know that I am a really good owner). I'd also offered to help with replacing some of Arlene's duties like going to the shelter to see if there were boxers there, and work with CUR - I never heard a word back from them about what we wanted to do to help boxer rescue. After that experince everything was really hard for me because I wanted to work with people I felt good about and that seemed to feel the same way about me. I didn't feel that was the case and that's how I do all of my business, and many people feel this way too adopting a pet should be no different - for some of us it's not always about price, it's about the realtionship you have with the people involved.

After Klee was gone, we still wanted to rescue, I wanted to work with a different group, other state rescues said they couldn't help me get a boxer because they have a policy of not sending boxers into a state where there are so many unwanted dogs already and they couldn't do a home visit. I had explained the reason why I felt I'd rather get a boxer from another rescue and I offered to videotape the house and to let the rescuer come to visit or send friends any time they vacationed near us in FL. I really felt like they felt that I wasn't qualified to have a boxer if I didn't want to work with my state's rescue. The world is a smaller place and more and more people are working across state lines. Really these days, you can determine alot about someone from talking on the phone, asking questions, sending emails, etc.

Rescues don't seem to want to work that way. Rescues all seemed to have the feeling that everything should be through whatever rescue is in your area - period. What if you don't like that one? I never really liked Arlene and never really felt good about getting a dog from her (and later I discovered why those instincts were the right ones, but I ignored those instincts because it seemed like it was the only way I could rescue a boxer in my area.)

After Klee was taken from us, about a month or so later we got Casper from the Dade Co. Animal Shelter instead of a boxer rescue org. It was hard decision for us. And I did not enjoy the shelter visits and seeing all the unwanted animals there knowing I could only take one, we did it because after everything happened the way it did, given the loyalty that rescue groups seem to have to not working with anyone in another rescue's "territory" it seemed the best option available if we wanted to save a boxer. (And we did want to save a boxer rather than buy a boxer puppy from a breeder.)

I think it's great that rescues want to make sure that everything is the best situation for the dog, but it is possible to judge people's motives and situations without home visits, breeders do it on a reagular basis.

I just thought you might want to know that I can understand if these people have a good rapport with the distant potential owners. After all, they may feel that they are chosing the best home they can for the dog. My personal feeling is that if the best home is in another state, so be it.

I asure you Casper is a loved, lovable, and lucky guy and I would have hoped that any rescue would be glad to have placed one of their babies in our home because it is a good one no matter where it is.

Sorry for this being so long.

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mama to:
-Sumi, lab mix "pound puppy"
-Casper, white boxer rescued from the Dade County Animal shelter
 

Robyn

Completely Boxer Crazy
I want to give my two cent too... :) First of all, I sincerely hope that the family with the boxer in WA does plenty of research before the dog is placed. I think the dog should go to the best home that matches the dog, regardless of state. That very well may be you, spiritfinder. A dog is not just a possession, it is a life and has feeling etc. Considering that the dog in question is a boxer, I hope that family realizes it is even more human-like :D !

When we adopted Cooper in February, NBR was not dealing with MD at all. They placed dogs from PA to Maine and not usually in MD. Unfortunately, there was not a functioning MD rescue at the time. However, because they felt that our home matched the needs of Cooper (aka J.R.) they made the exception and he was placed with us. YIPPEE!! We could not be happier than we are. Cooper came all the way from Mass. and spent almost 9 hours in the car. We love him to pieces and are thankfull everyday that the exception was made.

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Robyn
Cooper, 5-11-99
Red fawn, neutered male, floppy and docked,rescue
http://www.boxerrescue.com/spotlight.htm
Mugzy, fawn, neutered male, cropped and docked rainbow bridge Sept. 98
 

Pat

Boxer Booster
Why have some of you jumped to the conclusion tht the owners of this boxer know nothing about the prospective adoptees? How did the ND people hear about this dog? I doubt the Washington people advertised in any ND papers. I suppose these people could find a good home for him in Washington. With a population of 5,756,361 , there must be someone who would be a good match for the dog. However, sadly, there is never a guarantee. Now Tanya, after reaing your paragraph many times, I don't know if your disturbed because you may not get him, or your bothered because he may go to ND? It is a long way, but do you know how he would be transported? I don't understand your reasoning. Just because he's a "family Pet" he cn't leave the state? Why are they selling a family pet after 2 1/2 yrs anyway? I guess I'll never be eligible to rescue a boxer from another state even though there are hundreds on the East,West,& So coasts. What a shame to deprive a good home to a needy boxer because we live in a part of the country that doesn't have any boxers that need rescueing because they were beaten,dumped in a ditch to have unwanted babies or just thrown out into the street to starve. Am I being to sensitive? I'm "pissed", and I'm from ND!!
 
Hee, hee! I want to add my 2 cents also. First of all I have helped do some rescue in the state of Wa and Or. Let me tell you that it appears to be a long wait, not enough dogs. I do know of some rescues who will ship but not many. Its soooooo sad to hear from someone who seemed to be a great home tell me they got tired of waiting to find a rescue and bought from a breeder instead. I wish there was a easy solution but there is not, I understand why some groups dont want to ship out of state, but then to hear them say how they have reached the "full" capacity at their rescue and to know that I know the rescues up here have a long list of waiting families who really want to rescue a boxer. BUT for me, IF I was going to find a home for MY boxer, it would be NEAR me so I could check on her. So, once again, Im wishy-washy on this subject.LOL!
I also wish the airlines would give these nonprofit rescues a break on shipping these dogs. Its very expensive. That way they could ship directly to a out of state rescue group and then share the responsibility of checking on the dog.

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Cindy Corl
Lacie female, brindle, natural ears,7-17-99
 

Amy Lyn

Super Boxer
Pat,

I don't think anyone is ripping North Dakota at all or it's people or it's willingness to adopt boxers. I think what Tanya is saying is that she would like to give this boxer a loving home and she thinks she is a good candidate as well. I'm sure you know what it feels like to want a new boxer baby and be so pent up with excitement that you can't think about anything else. And the fact that she is closer to the original home of the boxer may be of an advantage to the original owner. He can check out her house to see if it is up to par and he can also visit the dog if everyone agrees. I'm sure the home in North Dakota is just as wonderful too, just a little further away. And as I stated before, if he wants to sell the boxer to someone that is a distance away, he probably has reasons, and if he's comfortable with them, then that's that.

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Amy Lyn
Wagner (Fawn, black mask) b: 04/25/00
Clark (Fawn, black mask) b: 03-11-99 (Rainbow Bridge 05-06-00)
 

spiritfinder

Boxer Buddy
Thanks for all your input. I have not heard back from the people selling the dog. It is no offense to ND that just happens to be where. To be honest I would love the dog but, I only posted this question to see if I WAS being to sensitive over a pet that wasn't even mine or for that matter going to be mine. As the owner of a boxer and having had a rescued one, my main concern is over a good home for the animal. They posted this ad in the excite classifieds, which leaves it open to the whole country. I am not arguing that the owner's have every right to place there pet with whomever they please. My only point was that it seemed easier and better to keep him in state. I have to admit I have no idea how they plan to transport the dog to there if they get it. Rescue here is difficult as well and I am hoping to get another boxer eventually. I know the right dog is out there. Maybe this one maybe not. Thanks everyone for there input and please I didn't mean to offend anyone and I know that breeders do send dogs out of state all the time. My mother bought a french bulldog from a breeder across the country so I know it is done. If I hear from them I will be sure to update you. Thanks for the ear. :)

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Steele brindle male - Over the bridge 10/99
Kalua fawn female born 6/95
 
Spiritfinder,
Check out www.oasispetmedcenter.com and go to boxer rescue, check out the 2 boxers that are available for adotion. They are located in Vancouver Wa. Dr.Liz, who runs this rescue is a awesome person.

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Cindy Corl
Lacie female, brindle, natural ears,7-17-99
 
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