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How to determine at 2 weeks old

Discussion in 'Showing - questions and answers' started by kscoleman, Jun 29, 2006.

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  1. kscoleman

    kscoleman Boxer Buddy

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    I have been reading and reading up on boxers and puppies, etc. I (and my daughter) am also interested in learning how to show dogs. I am getting my husband a boxer from a reputable breeder, health tested, vet checked, etc. However, she is only 1 of a few "reputable" breeders in the area and her puppies are in high demand. I work with her mom so she offered me first dibs on a puppy (after the stud and her choices of course). I told her that I was looking for a show dog and to give me some suggestions on what she thinks. I do value her opinion, but I have to chose which puppy I would like when they are only 2 weeks old.

    Yes, yes, now I'm finally getting to my question :) Does anyone have any pointers on what to look for. There is a flashy brindle that I really like, but how much is TOO MUCH flash? I know guidelines say no more than 1/3 white, but I'm not positive about where the white should be. Y'all are some awesome boxer lovers on this board and any help you could give me would be much appreciated!!! Tks!
     
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    Is this breeder a show breeder? I don't see how you can pick a show potential pup at this age. You can see color and markings, maybe an idea of a nice head, but have no idea how the pup will turn out. It is a guessing game even up to three, four or more months. The older the pup, the better the chance of getting a pup that will do well in the ring. At two weeks you cannot tell anything about bite, temperament or attitude, toplines and tailset, etc, etc.

    Are the sire and dam both champions? I just can't imagine picking a pup at that age. My pups are not even offered for sale until after their first basic physical.

    As for markings, the head white will shrink a lot from two weeks of age. You also don't want any white markings up the flank or on the torso.

    :)
     
  3. Kerry Jane

    Kerry Jane Super Boxer

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    If I were looking for a new show potential I would only pick it out at 8 weeks, and not before. Typically breeders do their evaluations at this age and decide who goes where, so I find it VERY suspicious that she is saying that you need to pick at 2 weeks. This sends up some serious RED flags. Are the sire and dam champions (which is what I would be expecting if I were looking for a show prospect)?

    Also, if I were looking, and it was my first show dog, I would go with the breeder's recommendation on which dog to pick. I would tell her what your plans are with the puppy, what temperament dog you are looking for - and then leave it up to her to make the recommendations. This is assuming that this person has some experience in the breed.

    I personally don't like a lot of flash, but I think it is more important to choose a dog that is correct structurally (confirms to the standard) and try to ignore markings and coloration. And, I certainly dont think you can evaluate this at 2 weeks.
     
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    Brutus and Amaya's Mom Boxer Insane

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    Keep in mind markings will change with size. A small blaze my almost disappear in an adult. My Ninya has a wider blaze and as a tiny baby it was huge on her.

    I agree with Kerry- let the breeder pick. I did my research on the lines and pedigrees but I told her what I wanted and then when she temperment tested them she helped find a match.
     
  5. kscoleman

    kscoleman Boxer Buddy

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    Thanks

    The breeder that we are getting our pup from has, in the past, accepted deposits on a first come, first serve basis and then when the pups were ready to go you got to decide, in the order that you put a deposit down, which pup you wanted. WELL, the last litter she did that with she ended up in court because the people didn't get the pup they wanted and wanted their deposit back. Long story short, she doesn't do it that way anymore. Once you put a deposit down you have to pick a pup. If for some reason that pup does not make it to 8 weeks, then she will refund the deposit.

    I talked to the breeder yesterday and she picked one out for me, and like I said before she is a family friend, so if that one doesn't look good at 8 weeks for what I want then she will give me the option to pick one of the ones she is holding back for herself to show.

    Thanks for all y'all help....I'm going meet the babies tomorrow!!
     
  6. JulieM

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    Interesting way of preventing future issues; personally, I would have stopped taking deposits until I knew which puppies were going to which types of homes (well, I've not taken deposits until then in any case). It sounds like you'll have some options regardless, but it really is impossible to choose a show prospect that young; at 8 weeks, give or take 3 days, the puppy will have proportionately the same structure it will have as an adult. That, then, is the ideal time to pick a puppy, because by and large (if you know how to evaluate them properly) what you see is what you'll get. I know many breeders who have an idea from birth which puppies will be the best in the litter, but they never make the final assessment until about 8 weeks of age.
     
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    It's totally not kosher, as others are pointing out. Not for a pet puppy (because you can't know personality at 2 weeks, and personality should be the #1 priority for matching owners with puppies), and because she knows you want a show prospect and she's offering you third pick (behind stud dog and her own). So that means she's going to make HER picks at 2 weeks?

    Nuh-uh. I don't care how reputable she seems -- that's just bizarre, and even more bizarre to do so just so she can accept deposits without fear of legal repercussions. Why not just stop taking deposits, tell people up front that you will be matching available puppies with the top X number of people on your list, based on compatibility, period, AFTER you've made your choices? That's what pretty much everybody I know does.

    For what it's worth, you don't want a third pick if you want to show. You want to find somebody who will co-own a first or second-pick male with you. And that may be hard unless you already have provided a home for one of their pet puppies and shown that you're a good home. Or you can start going to shows and hanging out and getting to know people and demonstrating that you're serious.

    It's easier to get a male show prospect because most breeders don't keep more than one intact male, and they might have a nice puppy that they'd otherwise have to neuter and place if they can't find a home willing to show it.
     
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    Yes it has been a few months now. Did you get your puppy? Do you have pictures?? I would love to see.
     
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