Hello. Toby and I have been working on commands for about a week now and he is doing very well!! He was 14wks old on 2/16/01. Toby is a very smart Boxer. He is probably the smartest one we have had, and we have had 9 since 1992. We have three now. Anyway, toby does well at the commands we have been working on like sit, shake,(both paws) stay, come,(very well) down,(doing better). He has retained this knowledge better than I have seen with our others in the past. My wife and I have not been that interested in showing until now. We want very much to show Toby, but we have never tryed our hand at it before. We have been trying to get him into the stance that we have seen in the books. You know, the beautiful sloped back you see with the excelent show dogs with their back legs stretched back behind them. I think the term is "Stacking". PLEASE!!!!! Someone help me out here. I have tryed everything I know to do, and he absolutely will not do it for me. I am convinced that I'm doing something wrong. We have tryed holding a treat in front of his nose while trying to get his back legs to stay back, but nothing seems to work!!! I did see on a boxer site that a man had built a grooming table with the dog's feet standing on perches that he had placed in the position that he wanted the dog to stay in. There was nothing but air under the dog other than the perches he was standing on. This looked like it would work, but looked expensive. I am absoletely losing it here!!! Am I the only one having this problem??? If not, please let me know what I am doing wrong!! Also, Toby comes from a very good line of Boxers. However there are no champions in his bloodline as far as I know. Am I wasting my time trying to prepare him for the show ring?? He meets the standard very well. I would like to think taht we are not, but I have heard that if the dog in question has no show blood in him this maybe knocks off some points with the judges or something like that. We're just now learnig about the show ring, and any and all help is appreciated. I have found a kennel club in our area that we're going to ckeck into and maybe join. For now though I'm relying on all of your expertise on this subject. Thank you for the help. The Bowmans. ________________________________ Billie- Fawn female, docked tail natural ears, 5 1/2. Lucy- Fawn flashy female, docked tail, natural ears, 8mos. Toby- Fawn flashy male, docked tail, cropped ears 14 wks. Greg and Elizabeth Bowman North Ga.