back yard boxers

[boxerwings]

I felt the need to blow off some steam about breeding. I see alot of nasty grams on here from one boxer owner to another about people who are so passionate about good breeding practices. Many times making the poor reference to back yard breeders. Well, too all of you that are so passioned.....just where exactly should we purchase these well bred dogs??? AAAHHHH, there is the rub. I lost my 4 1/2 year old boxer Holly in June. She was back yard bred. Legs too long. Snout alittle too long too. But she was AKC registered as a boxer and was the most beautiful, wonderful, best dog in the state of Georgia. So, I'm off on the quest for a new boxer. Looking for a more reputable breeder to avoid this heartbreaking pitfall of losing another dog again. What a joke. What a racket. Just who are these breeders? I've seen alot of web sites that supposedly are reputable breeders and they sure are different. You go to sites like this and no one wants to endorse any breeders. You ask your vet and he knuckles too. Is this some covert operation?? Where are the standards??? Why isn't there a boxer site that provides what the standards should be and then list available breeders that in their research provide the best standard and health of that dog? Apparently breeder endorsements are a huge NONO. What a catch 22. "Buy a good dog, but we aren't gonna tell you where you can do that." The sanctioned kennel clubs like AKC don't help. Often your own vets won't/don't really want to "give names". Well until someone wants to make a stand for the dogs and provide clear standards, demand them, monitor them, and then provide clearly where the public can purchase these animals, people will continue to buy from back yard breeders. 'Cause guess what? I did the research. Dog breeding is a huge racket that is poorly regulated. Period. So, like many of you I bought another back yard bred boxer. I will not apologize for this. If you on your soapbox think I am clearly irresponsible, you are welcome to your opinion. Instead of flogging people like me, do the research and YOU provide the names of good breeders. Looking at the boxers here, I think a great majority of us have bought them that way. Even if we think we didn't, in such a poorly monitored area such as pedigree dog breeding, it is no wonder we have so many "not exactly breed standard" boxers, with large forums talking about the diseases that plague boxers like cardiomyopathy and CA. Or ones that say, "How come my boxer looks so different from yours?" However, just like Holly, my new back yard bred Amy looks enough like a boxer to me, acts enough like one and I love her. I want to come here and enjoy sharing our boxers, not having one person attacking another. You consider yourself passionate about good breeding practices???, then use the energy to be proactive in researching good breeders and NAME them, instead of just being a mouth piece and saying "don't buy from a back yard breeder". Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to kiss my perfectly wonderful bratty non perfectly standard AKC back yard bred boxer.

 

[SILLY6PAK]

You are just looking in the wrong places. Instead of the internet try your local Boxer club. They will have a list of reputable breeders for you. I guess it is harder to deal with people that put the well fair of the dog ahead of the almighty dollar. It is similar process to a skin kids adoption. At least with the right breeder it is like that.

I think BYB are helped along by peoples impulsiveness and need for what you want when you want it.

My family has always delt with respondsible breeders and have only lost 1 boxer before the age of 11. (Poor Duke was hit by a car).

Nothing in life is for sure but I am presently 7 weeks into a TPLO rehab on my husbands BYB boxer. The surgury was $3,600.00 and 12 weeks crate rest AND 60% chance she will have the proceedure done on her other leg. Oh yeah it is a genetic defect that resospondsible breeders would have caught and not bred.


I understand your frustration but you have to decide where your priorities lie and go from there.

 

[boxerwings]

See I appreciate what you just wrote, but again, I must not have made myself clear. Though I didn't mention Ga Boxer club, again I got NOWHERE in getting names of breeders. You seem to have had a good experience. Wanna give me the name of YOUR breeder???? See what I mean???? NAME THEM!!!

 

[hanley]

I'm sorry you feel this way & I know a lot of us here have dogs from backyard breeders. My dogs aren't perfect, one AKC & the other a rescue, but they are very loved & well taken care of & too me they are perfect. I don't promote breeding, there are too many Boxers that are abused for breeding purposes & thrown away like garbage. I'm glad you are off to kiss your Boxer, some Boxers never get kisses.

 

[SILLY6PAK]

not a place to sell

I think you miss understand what the forum is about. I would gladly name my breeders but I do not think the founder of this site wanted to turn this into an advertisemnt forum. I can tell you I just went and typed AKC Boxers into google. I then went to Boxer Breeders then I double clicked on breeder guide and presto there the list was. Both my breeders. One in NJ and one in Ohio were on the list.

Now finding the two was a chore but there they are if you are the SLIGHTEST bit motivated. I am so completely computer illiterate that if I can find the list of acceptible breeders in less than 5 miniutes then I am sure anyone can mke it. There is no conspiracy just need to do the research, put in the wait and presto happy times are yours.
That said I hope you and your pup have a long healthy life together. My beef isn't with BYB as much as puppy mills.

 

[boxerwings]

Ignoring your sarcasm on my lack of motivation....I hope belittling made you feel superior.

Not missing what the forum is about. Clearly in forums listed in here I am not the only person in the country who is finding a reputable breeder truly a chore. There are MANY MANY MANY threads here about people frustrated in finding reputable breeders. I am not computer illiterate. I can do what you did. But don't tell me every breeder on that list was reputable. You happen to personally know them, thus they are reputable to YOU, not me.

I am not asking this site to provide the information either. I know it is not their job, I am simply saying this:

1. I think it is obvious many people are having a hugely difficult time finding truly reputable breeders.

2. The term "reputable breeders" in and of itself is subjective. Perhaps the breeder you think so highly of on the list, another might not find so reputable. EX: Some of the breeders on YOUR list are breeding white boxers. Some find this a huge discrepency in calling yourself reputable if you have whites.

3. So, wouldn't it make sense for those who are truly interested, to really decide what standards make a reputable breeder.

4. List those standards used in the decision making process.

5. And finally just list the names and addresses of those breeders that fulfill the standards without having a clause at the end saying that they "don't necessarily endorse"?

6. And I don't mean that this has to occur on this website. I am clear that it is not it's purpose.

If you and I had the same type of cancer, and I knew of a physician that could cure you, wouldn't you want his name???? I just don't understand why it is so hard for people to give names.

 

[GoCougs]

Finding an ethical breeder takes no more work than contacting your local breed club, whose membership is made up of plenty of ethical breeders. You seemed to be upset that you simply didn't know where to look.

That being said, per the rules you agreed to when you joined the site:

Discussion is welcome - flaming and personal attacks are not permitted. Members should not use the board to generate arguments.

Furthermore, Boxerworld doesn't allow for the promotion of individual breeders on this site.

It seems your post is inflamatory and the only purpose was to generate an argument or to get people to promote individual breeders. The topic of how to find ethical breeders is welcome, but not with this approach. This thread is closed.